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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    I think we should just look to our allies who have repealed any kind of ban on gays in the military. For instance the UK who lifted their ban ovr a decade ago. After all the hub bub with officers threatening to resign and the same type of BS thats been recycled here: nothing happened. People went back to work and it wasnt a big deal.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    I'm not pissed; but you're proving the point that there is no factual or evidentiary case to be made for keeping the ban.

    There's only conjecture, religion, and "oh, it's icky to think of".

    There's no evidence of major disruption in any other military. We're just told "it will be problematic".

    How? What is your evidence that problems will occur. Why and how will morale be worsened?

    All we get are "dudes kissing on the field"; "they'll look at people in the shower". All we get is stuff based on backwards stereotypes.

    I have - in this thread - posted at least one case where the military is HARMING its self by discharging gay Arabic translators when there is already a great shortage in that position. I've also asked for any historic evidence of major disruption in any other military who has already overturned bans on gay and lesbian service members. So far, there's been none provided. Not by you; and (more importantly) not by the "concerned generals".
    If the military determines that it can make it work without excessive cost and disruption, fine.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Hopefully this will encourage a more robust analysis of the proposed policy change.
    What danarhea didn't post this article? Oh thats right its two high ranking officers not supporting what he wants.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We are talking about being OPENLY gay. I don't know what that will cause, but it's up to the military to determine what's best. That's all I'm saying. Personally I don't care, except for the extra cost for making the change.
    But that's my point, American. Being OPENLY gay doesn't mean gay poeple make out in public, scream, "I'm GAY!" to the world. It means that they won't be discharged from service if they are gay.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I'll make it simple for you people. Most of your soliders, marines... these are manly men, on their time off, they chase pussy and do the hoo-rah man thing. You think they are gonna take well being told what to do by someone they don't believe is a real man?

    Sure, that's not a very "nice" way to think about it, but there it is.

    Most of you "don't get it" because you either have never served OR you believe that the military isn't all that different from civilian life.

    IT IS different. Would the service get over this... eventually I'm sure it would happen, just liek with black intigration. But it's that time period that is in question, is the benefit worth it? I say no, no it is not.

    But then, I think the job of the military is to break things and kill people, not be a social relection of society.
    How does someone's sexual orientation impact their ability to serve our country? Can you please explain this to me?

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If the military determines that it can make it work without excessive cost and disruption, fine.
    Fair enough, then. We agree.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    But that's my point, American. Being OPENLY gay doesn't mean gay poeple make out in public, scream, "I'm GAY!" to the world. It means that they won't be discharged from service if they are gay.
    If they were not screaming to the world they were gay then how did the military find out? The whole point of DADT is no one says anything.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Fair enough, then. We agree.
    I agree that the purpose of the military is to kill people and break things, and that if that performance is not hindered by the subject of this thread, then fine.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We are talking about being OPENLY gay. I don't know what that will cause, but it's up to the military to determine what's best. That's all I'm saying. Personally I don't care, except for the extra cost for making the change.
    What extra cost??

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If they were not screaming to the world they were gay then how did the military find out? The whole point of DADT is no one says anything.
    So your belief is that if they allow gay people in the military, gay people will make out in public and scream, "I'm GAY!" to the world?

    james, I don't know about you, but it's very rare that I have a conversation with co-workers about whether I'm heterosexual, bisexual, or gay. It doesn't come up....at all! Does that mean we have a DADT where I work?

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