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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If thousands of years of military experience says men shouldn't be kissing on the battlefield, then that's the way it is. That doesn't mean I hate gays, women or short people. I'm an engineer, and the solution is not arrived at through emotional means.
    You clearly don't KNOW gays if you think they'd start making out in the middle of the battlefield. That's one of the most uninformed stereotypical things I've ever read in my life and only proves that you're making assertions based on emotion and not logic.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    give examples of how it will be bad for the US army
    That's not for me to decide. That's up to the military.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    You clearly don't KNOW gays if you think they'd start making out in the middle of the battlefield. That's one of the most uninformed stereotypical things I've ever read in my life and only proves that you're making assertions based on emotion and not logic.
    Don't get your panties in a wad, I was making a point. If two women kissing on the battlefield makes you feel better that's fine.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's not for me to decide. That's up to the military.
    I just ask you to back up your claims. Why would it be bad? Provide examples!

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Don't get your panties in a wad, I was making a point. If two women kissing on the battlefield makes you feel better that's fine.
    I'm not pissed; but you're proving the point that there is no factual or evidentiary case to be made for keeping the ban.

    There's only conjecture, religion, and "oh, it's icky to think of".

    There's no evidence of major disruption in any other military. We're just told "it will be problematic".

    How? What is your evidence that problems will occur. Why and how will morale be worsened?

    All we get are "dudes kissing on the field"; "they'll look at people in the shower". All we get is stuff based on backwards stereotypes.

    I have - in this thread - posted at least one case where the military is HARMING its self by discharging gay Arabic translators when there is already a great shortage in that position. I've also asked for any historic evidence of major disruption in any other military who has already overturned bans on gay and lesbian service members. So far, there's been none provided. Not by you; and (more importantly) not by the "concerned generals".

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    I just ask you to back up your claims. Why would it be bad? Provide examples!
    The only claim I made is that it is a military matter.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The only claim I made is that it is a military matter.
    You also said that these matters should be dealt with factually and not with emotion.

    I'm asking for logic and facts from you (or the military) in dealing with this. No one has provided for it.

    And you can say, "leave it up to them" all you'd like - but that's not really what a political debate forum is about.

    We could also simply say, "leave it up to Congress" - or "leave it up to the president" - but that would make for a really boring political forum, wouldn't it?

    The whole point is debating sides, asserting points, and backing it up with evidence.

    So, "leave it to the military" isn't really a "claim" at all. It's a cop out.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    You clearly don't KNOW gays if you think they'd start making out in the middle of the battlefield. That's one of the most uninformed stereotypical things I've ever read in my life and only proves that you're making assertions based on emotion and not logic.
    American, I have to agree with the above statement.

    Do you think that a gay person serving in the military would walk around telling people, "I'm gay"? People at my work are allowed to be gay. I know some of my co-workers are gay. I am sure there are other co-workers who I have no idea are gay. This has no impact on my ability to do my job.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    American, I have to agree with the above statement.

    Do you think that a gay person serving in the military would walk around telling people, "I'm gay"? People at my work are allowed to be gay. I know some of my co-workers are gay. I am sure there are other co-workers who I have no idea are gay. This has no impact on my ability to do my job.
    We are talking about being OPENLY gay. I don't know what that will cause, but it's up to the military to determine what's best. That's all I'm saying. Personally I don't care, except for the extra cost for making the change.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    I'll make it simple for you people. Most of your soliders, marines... these are manly men, on their time off, they chase pussy and do the hoo-rah man thing. You think they are gonna take well being told what to do by someone they don't believe is a real man?

    Sure, that's not a very "nice" way to think about it, but there it is.

    Most of you "don't get it" because you either have never served OR you believe that the military isn't all that different from civilian life.

    IT IS different. Would the service get over this... eventually I'm sure it would happen, just liek with black intigration. But it's that time period that is in question, is the benefit worth it? I say no, no it is not.

    But then, I think the job of the military is to break things and kill people, not be a social relection of society.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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