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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    With al due respect to the gay community, it's really not worth the disruption this WILL cause on morale and order in the military. Do you really think it's worth going through the assimilation process just to give a very small precentage of the armed forces the "right to openly be gay and serve"? More so during a war?

    Uhm hello.... not a bright move for so little a return.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Jray573 View Post
    This is the most ridiculous description of the role of General I have ever heard. Do you think that they study and train in the strategies of war for their entire career to become the slaves of elected officials? They are the experts. To refuse to listen to them on military matters is foolish. Your concept is lacking
    No, because this has nothing to do with military matters and that is my point. Gays have been serving in the military long before Jesus supposedly walked this earth, and it has had zero impact on the military. Your sexual orientation is not the concern of the military, nor is your religion, nor is your ethnicity.

    Are you seriously saying that if a General came and said it would be best to ban Black people from the military because they might cause problems in the military? You do know that was once used as an excuse by the very same top brass to prevent black men in serving? How is this ANY different?

    Just because you like the same sex, how on earth should that some how make you any less of a person to serve in the military? Does being a woman, black, Jew or Muslim make you less of a person and a problem for serving in the military?

    Have you been in the military? Actually, I left the military and went to the oilfield and it's much the same out here. Put a girl on an offshore drilling rig and guys go nuts. It's something about women in a masculine environment.
    I know, and guess what.. deal with it. Now if the girl cant cut the physical aspects, then fine, but that goes for any man as well. We have to get past this set in stone religious based dogma on what a man and a woman can and can not do. Women can do ANYTHING a man can do if they set their minds to it.

    Though seriously, this still isn't justification to exclude. Just something that should be planned for.
    So we should plan for peoples sexist and bigatory? talk about appeasing a minority.... guess we should plan for accepting child rapists, murders and terrorists .. after they just have a different opinion on what the law is..

    If you can't be tolerant to those you disagree with, how do you expect the ones you consider to be intolerant to ever adapt? I don't see how you can preach one thing and do another. I'm not saying you should condone hatred, but it would be nice if you didn't embrace it.
    There is one hell of a difference being tolerant over political differences and being tolerant of people who are for open discrimination against others based on sexual orientation, religion or ethnicity. We dont accept racism in society, nor do we accept sexism and nor do we accept discrimination based on religion.. well for the most part. Why the hell should the military be any different than the society it serves?
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This is all going to create a larger burden on the taxpayers.
    how so??????

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    There is one hell of a difference being tolerant over political differences and being tolerant of people who are for open discrimination against others based on sexual orientation, religion or ethnicity. We dont accept racism in society, nor do we accept sexism and nor do we accept discrimination based on religion.. well for the most part. Why the hell should the military be any different than the society it serves?
    Well said and totally agree.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    With al due respect to the gay community, it's really not worth the disruption this WILL cause on morale and order in the military. Do you really think it's worth going through the assimilation process just to give a very small precentage of the armed forces the "right to openly be gay and serve"? More so during a war?
    what is it gonna change? have you got examples?

    Uhm hello.... not a bright move
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    With al due respect to the gay community, it's really not worth the disruption this WILL cause on morale and order in the military. Do you really think it's worth going through the assimilation process just to give a very small precentage of the armed forces the "right to openly be gay and serve"? More so during a war?

    Uhm hello.... not a bright move for so little a return.
    Since you believe this WILL cause a disruption; can you (or the generals in the OP for that matter) point to an instance where one of our many, many allies who have already lifted this ban have seen a massive disruption?

    I can, however, point to how this policy has negatively impacted our current wars by dismissing multiple Arabic translators at a time when we have fewer than half of the number needed to be effective in fighting in Arabic-speaking lands.

    I'm merely asking you and others to back your assertion with facts and evidence.

    We're TOLD that there will be a "disruption"; however, the evidence I find shows that there is already a disruption due to the current policy and I've not found any evidence of major disruption in any of the many militaries of our allies who have already overturned bans on Gay and Lesbian service members.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    With al due respect to the gay community, it's really not worth the disruption this WILL cause on morale and order in the military. Do you really think it's worth going through the assimilation process just to give a very small precentage of the armed forces the "right to openly be gay and serve"? More so during a war?

    Uhm hello.... not a bright move for so little a return.
    I don't know about you, but I don't go around my work (or non-work life) announcing to everyone, "I'm a heterosexual."

    How do you think this will disrupt morale? Are heteros in the military going to be uncomfortable, devastated, angry or what? These are human beings, for goodness sake!

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No, because this has nothing to do with military matters and that is my point. Gays have been serving in the military long before Jesus supposedly walked this earth, and it has had zero impact on the military. Your sexual orientation is not the concern of the military, nor is your religion, nor is your ethnicity.

    Are you seriously saying that if a General came and said it would be best to ban Black people from the military because they might cause problems in the military? You do know that was once used as an excuse by the very same top brass to prevent black men in serving? How is this ANY different?

    Just because you like the same sex, how on earth should that some how make you any less of a person to serve in the military? Does being a woman, black, Jew or Muslim make you less of a person and a problem for serving in the military?



    I know, and guess what.. deal with it. Now if the girl cant cut the physical aspects, then fine, but that goes for any man as well. We have to get past this set in stone religious based dogma on what a man and a woman can and can not do. Women can do ANYTHING a man can do if they set their minds to it.



    So we should plan for peoples sexist and bigatory? talk about appeasing a minority.... guess we should plan for accepting child rapists, murders and terrorists .. after they just have a different opinion on what the law is..



    There is one hell of a difference being tolerant over political differences and being tolerant of people who are for open discrimination against others based on sexual orientation, religion or ethnicity. We dont accept racism in society, nor do we accept sexism and nor do we accept discrimination based on religion.. well for the most part. Why the hell should the military be any different than the society it serves?
    You don't think this is a military matter (which it most certainly is) because you don't care about the US military. It isn't your military, but it is ours and we (Americans) want the best military possible no matter what it takes. If women, gays and short people are not conducive to the best military, and need to be excluded....so be it. If thousands of years of military experience says men shouldn't be kissing on the battlefield, then that's the way it is. That doesn't mean I hate gays, women or short people. I'm an engineer, and the solution is not arrived at through emotional means.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You don't think this is a military matter (which it most certainly is) because you don't care about the US military. It isn't your military, but it is ours and we (Americans) want the best military possible no matter what it takes. If women, gays and short people are not conducive to the best military, and need to be excluded....so be it. If thousands of years of military experience says men shouldn't be kissing on the battlefield, then that's the way it is. That doesn't mean I hate gays, women or short people. I'm an engineer, and the solution is not arrived at through emotional means.
    give examples of how it will be bad for the US army

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is entirely inaccurate. All you are posting is propaganda and logical fallacies.



    More logical fallacies. The sky is NOT falling.



    More nonsense. Until you can show legitimate claims that liberals are suggesting that child molesters are such because of genetics, you are posting nothing but ridiculous drivel.

    And as far as you link goes, the doctor in question is a psychoanalyst. Psychoanalysis's assessment of homosexuality has been thoroughly debunked as they depend on NO empirical research to make their assessment. Also, how sexual orientation is formed is unknown, but researchers agree that it is dependent on several factors including genetics, biology, and social influences. Now, remember that I said sexual orienation. That means the formation of heterosexuality is ALSO dependent on these factors.

    I'm glad I could educate you on this issue.
    Talk about propaganda.

    Simply Google gay gene hoax and learn something.
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