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2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

FilmFestGuy said:
Isn't the argument that the reason that we can't have gays and women serving is because of the "randiness" of the military?

If everyone is indeed capable of controlling their sexual urges and their tempers, then women and gays serving should be no problem, right?
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I don't know what randiness is:confused:

If you were sleeping with a beautiful naked woman could you control your sexuall urges?
 
Navy Pride said:
I don't know what randiness is:confused:

If you were sleeping with a beautiful naked woman could you control your sexuall urges?
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You just said they weren't horndogs; and now, they're excused if they can't control their sexual urges in the name of professionalism.

Which is it? Are they horndogs or are they capable professional soldiers?
 
Navy Pride said:
When I say stay home I mean they are not out partying in the bars when their husbands are gone...........
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I think that number is still extremely high.

Young people are horndogs.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
You just said they weren't horndogs; and now, they're excused if they can't control their sexual urges in the name of professionalism.

Which is it? Are they horndogs or are they capable professional soldiers?
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Neither but unless you gay and you have been to sea for 90 days with a crew of women and you had a naked one in your rack I doubt if you could control yourself........

That what happens when a gay guy is with all straight men for a long period of time...they are attracted to them and make unwanted advances against them and get caught and get discharged........-I don't actuallu even blame them........Its a physical attraction they have just like mine to women........
 
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Lightdemon said:
Why are all combat units homophobic? I don't understand.
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Why do Liberals call us homophobes because we have a difference of opinion? and you say we are the intolerant ones.....I don't understand.........
 
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Ethereal said:
What unit were you with?
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I can't remember because I was bipolar with lots of schizo-effective features that developed after I got in. I was in ft Benning georgia, I cant remember my numbers. I cant remember... was I with the fellas with the yellow lightning bolt on a red field? Something about iron boots or iron soles or iron feet?

I dont remember once I got in the army and about 2 years afterwards are a blur of schizo-affectivity.

It was a weird, tortuous experience... I told them I was gay to get chaptered out asap. When I was outed only about 2 guys had a problem with it, like could not make eye contact.
 
SE102 said:
I can't remember because I was bipolar with lots of schizo-effective features that developed after I got in.
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Then your opinion is irrelevant. Thanks for sharing.
 
Navy Pride said:
Why do Liberals call us homophobes because we have a difference of opinion? and you say we are the intolerant ones.....I don't understand.........
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No, it was because Ethereal had used the term "homophobic" to describe combat units. Please follow along...
 
Ethereal said:
Because the majority of grunts are crazy alpha males who want to kill people.
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I'm not even going to argue against that. But is that the reason to uphold DADT? Is that it?

There's plenty of other places that homosexuals can go to serve the military other than combat troops. Is this not true?
 
Lightdemon said:
No, it was because Ethereal had used the term "homophobic" to describe combat units. Please follow along...
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Let's just say that they're not too fond of the gays.
 
Lightdemon said:
I'm not even going to argue against that. But is that the reason to uphold DADT? Is that it?
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That's my reason to uphold DADT. I can't speak for anyone else.

There's plenty of other places that homosexuals can go to serve the military other than combat troops. Is this not true?
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They can serve in combat units if they want. They just can't admit that they're gay.

Anyway, I'd like to leave discretion up to the commanders. If a gay dude isn't causing the unit any problems then there's no need to process him out. The current law does not allow for such discretion.
 
Lightdemon said:
I'm not even going to argue against that. But is that the reason to uphold DADT? Is that it?

There's plenty of other places that homosexuals can go to serve the military other than combat troops. Is this not true?[/QUOTE]

Not aboard a Navy ship........
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Navy Pride said:
Not aboard a Navy ship........
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Are you always in a combat unit in the navy? You don't have personnel that are medics? You don't have personnel that are dedicated to commuciations?

Are you saying that combat units is the only place homosexuals can go if they join the military? Really??
 
Ethereal said:
That's my reason to uphold DADT. I can't speak for anyone else.
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It doesn't seem a little trivial to you? I mean it's something that can end a persons's military career. You don't think there's something wrong with that?

They can serve in combat units if they want. They just can't admit that they're gay.
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I don't understand the difference. Really I don't. Men who are in these combat units are probably serving with someone who is gay, but they don't know about it. It doesn't bother them UNTIL they find out that they're gay. And even then, that doesn't mean squat. That doesn't mean that the gay guy is going to hit on them, it doesn't mean that they're having naughty thoughts about them, it doesn't mean that they're going to climb in your bunk one night and do a dirty sanchez on you.

Personally, I like to believe that our military personnel can act professional about this. If they can't, then it should be up to the military to discipline these people. Same measures were taken during integration with African Americans, and it seems to have turned out fine.

Anyway, I'd like to leave discretion up to the commanders. If a gay dude isn't causing the unit any problems then there's no need to process him out. The current law does not allow for such discretion.
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Because a blanket ban for gays is wrong, in more than one ways apparently.
 
Lightdemon said:
Are you always in a combat unit in the navy? You don't have personnel that are medics? You don't have personnel that are dedicated to commuciations?

Are you saying that combat units is the only place homosexuals can go if they join the military? Really??
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They can go anywhere as long as they don't repeal DADT.....
 
Ethereal said:
Then your opinion is irrelevant. Thanks for sharing.
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Oh my feelings.:roll: i wish I was a real soldier like you. :rofl

How does anything make my first hand experience of the exact topic at hand less relevant?

Recanting the reactions of the soldiers around me is not irrelevant to the thread, in fact it is more relevant than your opinion. And trust me, yours is an opinion, not a fact that soldiers are homophobic.

Your belief that soldiers are homophobic is a cultural assumption you established through a void of never having addressing homosexuality during the time of your service. Not that you would have to or need to.

Let's just say that they're not too fond of the gays.
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And you were the smart guy polling them? Wheres the data behind your assumption?

73% of respondents said that they felt comfortable in the presence of gay and lesbian personnel
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Don't ask, don't tell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow... look at that... the entire argument your making has nothing to do with reality and is just a manifestation of your psyche. SURPRISE.

Your opinion was irrelevant. Thanks for sharing.
 
Navy Pride said:
They can go anywhere as long as they don't repeal DADT.....
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Dude, they are going to repeal it. Get over it. Even the top combat commander supports repealing the ban. Most of the country wants it done away with. It is now inevitable that it will be repealed. There will be no Prop 8 to save your precious discriminatory military policy.
 
SE102 said:
Oh my feelings.:roll: i wish I was a real soldier like you. :rofl

How does anything make my first hand experience of the exact topic at hand less relevant?

Recanting the reactions of the soldiers around me is not irrelevant to the thread, in fact it is more relevant than your opinion. And trust me, yours is an opinion, not a fact that soldiers are homophobic.

Your belief that soldiers are homophobic is a cultural assumption you established through a void of never having addressing homosexuality during the time of your service. Not that you would have to or need to.
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I'm not talking about "soldiers". I'm talking about grunts (I used to be one).

And since you can't even remember what unit you were in, and lied about being a homosexual to get out of the military, I can safely assume that you know nothing about grunts and their feelings towards gay dudes.

And you were the smart guy polling them? Wheres the data behind your assumption?
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I was in the infantry for three and three quarters years. I interacted with thousands of infantry Marines in that time frame. Lots of them don't like gay dudes. I'm not sure why this is so surprising.

Don't ask, don't tell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow... look at that... the entire argument your making has nothing to do with reality and is just a manifestation of your psyche. SURPRISE.

Your opinion was irrelevant. Thanks for sharing.
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Once again, "the military" is a generic term that has no relevance to my argument. I'm talking specifically about infantry units.
 
Ethereal said:
Yet the top Army and Air Force commanders do not.
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The Air Force General is waiting for more data.

The only one that has openly opposed it is the Army General.

And frankly, I value the opinion of the top combat commander over a couple pencil pushing generals.
 
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