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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is important to realize that it is not just telling their commander or some one within their command they are gay. If they at some point in their life posted that they are gay on Facebook, they can be discharged. If some one figures out they are gay(ie, meeting the boyfriend/girlfriend), they can be discharged. In other words, the command will not ask, but if the command gets information that some one is gay, then the person can be discharged.
    Thats simply not the policy. Rumor, supposition, unsusbstantiated comments, attending gay pride events or gay bars, subscribing to gay literature...NONE of those qualify as a reason for being kicked out.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

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    Thats simply not the policy. Rumor, supposition, unsusbstantiated comments, attending gay pride events or gay bars, subscribing to gay literature...NONE of those qualify as a reason for being kicked out.
    And you picked examples other than what I said. Supposition does not get you kicked out, and I did not claim that. What I said is that the soldier does not have to come forward and say he is gay to get thrown out.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is important to realize that it is not just telling their commander or some one within their command they are gay. If they at some point in their life posted that they are gay on Facebook, they can be discharged. If some one figures out they are gay(ie, meeting the boyfriend/girlfriend), they can be discharged. In other words, the command will not ask, but if the command gets information that some one is gay, then the person can be discharged.
    1-If they at some point in their life posted that they are gay on Facebook, they can be discharged.
    Not true. A commander would open an investigation. Would interview with the soldier. The words on facebook in and of themselves would NOT be enough to get a soldier kicked out.

    2-If someone meets the girlfriend or boyfriend...again...NOT a discharge reason. Hell....I can meet the boyfriend or girlfriend (FAR more likely to be the case) and as long as they dont tell me "and we are having sex" then there would be no admission of homosexuality.

    specifically...if the command gets information, they investigate.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Specifically...if the command gets information, they investigate.
    That doesn't seem... wrong to you in any way?

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    1-If they at some point in their life posted that they are gay on Facebook, they can be discharged.
    Not true. A commander would open an investigation. Would interview with the soldier. The words on facebook in and of themselves would NOT be enough to get a soldier kicked out.

    2-If someone meets the girlfriend or boyfriend...again...NOT a discharge reason. Hell....I can meet the boyfriend or girlfriend (FAR more likely to be the case) and as long as they dont tell me "and we are having sex" then there would be no admission of homosexuality.

    specifically...if the command gets information, they investigate.
    Facebook is one of the growing ways that gay soldiers are being discharged. I can back this up(posted the link more than once). Sex is not required to be discharged as a homosexual, only being a homosexual. So actually, some one identifying themselves as the partner/boyfriend/girlfriend of a military person would be enough.

    Obviously, there would be an investigation, but what starts the process is exactly as I described it.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    That doesn't seem... wrong to you in any way?
    No. There is this rule in place...Its called Dont Ask Dont tell. Itchanged the previous policy that simply said no homosexuals allowed in the military. It allows people to serve with honor. Its pretty cool actually.

    BTW...in 20+ years the subject of my sexuality never came up. I went to work. I did my job. I maintained professional relationships. I imagine many ASSUME I was married and heterosexual. I dont really know. Nor do I care.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Facebook is one of the growing ways that gay soldiers are being discharged. I can back this up(posted the link more than once). Sex is not required to be discharged as a homosexual, only being a homosexual. So actually, some one identifying themselves as the partner/boyfriend/girlfriend of a military person would be enough.

    Obviously, there would be an investigation, but what starts the process is exactly as I described it.
    My strong advice to anyone serving in the military that is gay and wants to remain in the military...is dont go on Facebook and declare yourself gay.


    And for the record...my facebook page doesnt have me announcing my heterosexuality. Funny...

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    My strong advice to anyone serving in the military that is gay and wants to remain in the military...is dont go on Facebook and declare yourself gay.


    And for the record...my facebook page doesnt have me announcing my heterosexuality. Funny...
    Your heterosexuality is not exceptional.

    The problem here is that gays have this artificial set of limits placed on them that serve no real purpose and can impact their career. A strait guy posts on his Facebook "I <3 teh pussy" and it's cool, a gay guy posts "I <3 teh dick" and it's grounds for a discharge if his command learns of it.

    And your advice is being given to gay soldiers now. The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network is actively trying to get that word out to gay soldiers and sailors.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Your heterosexuality is not exceptional.

    The problem here is that gays have this artificial set of limits placed on them that serve no real purpose and can impact their career. A strait guy posts on his Facebook "I <3 teh pussy" and it's cool, a gay guy posts "I <3 teh dick" and it's grounds for a discharge if his command learns of it.

    And your advice is being given to gay soldiers now. The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network is actively trying to get that word out to gay soldiers and sailors.
    The problem here is that homosexuals live a lifestyle that is currently deemed incompatible with military service. I dont care if you agree or disagree...that is the reality and THAT is why they have 1 of 3 choices. 1-dont join the military. 2-Join and follow the rules. As many will attest...dont ask dont tell is NOT difficult to follow. 3-Join...do whatever you want...say whatever you want...and get kicked out.

    Enjoy.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Your heterosexuality is not exceptional.

    The problem here is that gays have this artificial set of limits placed on them that serve no real purpose and can impact their career. A strait guy posts on his Facebook "I <3 teh pussy" and it's cool, a gay guy posts "I <3 teh dick" and it's grounds for a discharge if his command learns of it.

    And your advice is being given to gay soldiers now. The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network is actively trying to get that word out to gay soldiers and sailors.
    And BTW...ANY idiot stupid enough to post I heart pussy OR dick on their facebook page is a moron...unprofessional...and I wouldnt want EITHER of them in a grown ups professional service world. Schools and colleges would do people a tremendous service if they educated them on intelligent facebook etiquete and how stupid things have a tendency to bite stupid people on the ass.

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