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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    It does matter. I asked because I want to understand why people are making that argument because it doesn't make sense to me. If you don't have a good response, just say so.
    Do you have any military background or experience? That might go a long way to explaining why it doesnt make sense to you.

    The military is a fairly testosterone driven component, especially during times of combat. I can guarantee that there will be problems that disrupt he mission. The GREAT majority of soldiers of ALL races object to it. And BTW...next chance you get...have a conversation with blacks and hispanics and make sure you convince them that homosexuals are just like them. Like it or not...MOST people dont believe homosexuality is 'right' which is why consistently homosexual marriage is voted down. MOST believe dont believe we should 'mandate' the behavior as 'right.' And right or wrong, that is a prevalent attitude that still exists and simply will not work in a military environment.

    Do we allow ALL gays? What about those flamboyant types who join to take advantage of the education and healthcare opportunites. How seriously do you think others might take them when they are issuing orders? can you possibly see how that might cause a disruption?

    What about housing constraints? shall we now house men and women together? Or should no one be allowed to house together? I know I know...its not a fear that gay men (or women) will attack their same sex roommates. But what is the difference between a man and a woman being compelled to house and shower together and hetero and homosexual men and women housing and showering together?

    There is the field concern...treating open wounds. Just out of curiosity...last time I checked open homosexuals where still not permitted to donate blood-do you know if that is still the case? Why is that? And what about those questions do you think people might find as a barrier to providing field medical treatment? Oh...I know...it will never happen.

    You see...we arent talking about a 9-5 job we arent talking about a job where you go home and have no further association. We arent talking about a job where you can up and quit if you dont like it. Join. experience it. Your understanding might change.

    As a career NCO I cared about the safety of my people and mission accomplishment. Anything gets in the way of those two things, I wouldnt tolerate it.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Captaincourtesy gave me an infraction for debating this topic with him.

    great "unboased" site you got here...

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    BTW the gay issuse is still a HOT topic in civilian society, ALOT of folks dont approve of it and call it a sin, most states do not allow gay marriages and you liberals STILL want to jam gays in the military down our throat..

    Why dont you try and figure out the problem in your civilian culture firts before you dismantle how the military operates

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    get used to it. Its pretty pathetic.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanskills View Post
    BTW the gay issuse is still a HOT topic in civilian society, ALOT of folks dont approve of it and call it a sin, most states do not allow gay marriages and you liberals STILL want to jam gays in the military down our throat..

    Why dont you try and figure out the problem in your civilian culture firts before you dismantle how the military operates
    Are you still in the military? You're talking like you are.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanskills View Post
    Captaincourtesy gave me an infraction for debating this topic with him.

    great "unboased" site you got here...
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've stated what I believe the problems will be, based on my experience and my knowledge of military regulations and the general attitudes of soldiers in general. Granted, all my military service was in the infantry, but infantry units are where the proverbial rubber meets the road and they are the last place we can afford for unit cohesion to be endangered, because people's lives are at stake.
    And I've heard the arguments... and to some extent they make sense. I think there's more to it, though, considering that there is dissension even within the military over whether DADT should be repealed or not. I have a hard time with a good military person being dishonorably discharged simply because they have disclosed their sexual orientation.

    I trully believe that most opponents of DADT see it soley as a civil rights issue. They throw the, "we need to keep these valuable people", argument in for good measure so as to appear they actually give a ****.
    It certainly isn't as simple as just civil rights. But there is the component of looking at someone's accomplishments while bypassing non-military issues.

    I stand corrected, then. Although, I believe this is the first time you've ever engaged me civiliy.
    No, but it may be the first time I've addressed you non-aggressively... probably because you are talking to ME in a very non-aggressive fashion. I tend to respond in the tone that I am addressed in. I like what you are saying, and, in fact, you are helping me to see your position on this very well.





    Believe it, or not, soldiers can justify insubordination with damn near any excuse you can imagine, even a leader's sexual orientation.

    Wanna know the kicker? It want necessarily be the soldier's fault. It's highly possible that that gay leader could shoulder most of the blame for not properly leading and training that soldier and possibly be relieved for being a substandard leader.
    Well if he IS a substandard leader, he should be relieved. I really like what you said about leadership in your other post. It really hit a cord and makes a lot of sense. In that vein, do you think that if there was a leader who commanded a lot of respect because of his actions and because of his strong leadership skills... and he was gay and those who served under him knew it, do you think that based on his leadership abilities, his men would respect and follow his orders as they would a straight leader? Or do you think his sexual orientation would get in the way... even if he was a very strong leader?
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    I posted part of this story on the last gay military thread.

    I was in the Army with infantry for all of basic. Unfortunately I had bipolar disorder by the time I left, I got a discharge. Being kinda nuts I went for DADT instead of a medical or a psych eval or whatever its called. General discharge.

    When it was out, 2/40 men in the platoon had a problem with it, they were open homophobes, like -omg he's gay and we made eye contact- kind-of homophobic. I would've still been able to deal with them had I stayed in. There was a flaming queer in the platoon in the bay under ours on the first floor. He acclimated just fine and had friends, he probably still serves today.

    As for the impact on the army... changing the vocabulary on paperwork shouldn't be too big of an ordeal. Other countries have been through this before apparently. Im sorry that homosexuals having equal rights bothers you.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I have a hard time with a good military person being dishonorably discharged simply because they have disclosed their sexual orientation.
    It is important to realize that it is not just telling their commander or some one within their command they are gay. If they at some point in their life posted that they are gay on Facebook, they can be discharged. If some one figures out they are gay(ie, meeting the boyfriend/girlfriend), they can be discharged. In other words, the command will not ask, but if the command gets information that some one is gay, then the person can be discharged.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    I didn't know that.

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