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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Jray573 View Post
    That's more than a little close-minded. I'm a huge proponent for gay rights and I still understand that introducing open homosexuality into the military is far more complex than the civilian world. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, I think the military is one of the most productive ways of increasing tolerance. Anyone that's been to boot camp knows how much your perspective changes about people when your exposed to so many different backgrounds at one time. We were in port one time and started laughing because of the diversity in our group. It seems so natural in the military.

    It's still more than a political statement for politicians and voters. It needs to be looked at seriously before they make the decision.

    Generals don't have time to be homophobic, it's not some juvenile perspective. They care about their military. Their concerns are far deeper than you give them credit for.
    This allegation that they are worried about how this will impact "their forces to do their jobs while fighting two wars" is total BS. What the hell does that mean? How does ones sexual orientation come into play here? WHat difference does it make if I like men or women?

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Sorry but it is bs.

    This ban on homosexuals in the military is a leftover from the days when homosexuality was banned in general in society, either by law or by some sort of society moral often enforced by the church and the state.

    While society has managed for the most part to get rid of the bans on homosexuality, the ban still remains entrenched in the macho world of the military.

    There whole argument is the same lame argument that they used to prevent women severing in the military and that argument was overcome for the most part.

    The argument is an old mans conservative argument that is based on the age old dividing up of roles in society.. men hunt and provide, women are homemakers and breeding machines. Anyone stepping outside this predefined role are punished. Like it or not, we dont live in the 1400s anymore, but in the 21st century.
    I agree with this 100%, but had to omit the last paragraph to say that. The reasons aren't excuses not to lift the ban, but they are things to prepare for when they do.

    I don't know if you were ever in the military, but the rank of General is incredibly political.

    Is it possible that you need to be less judgmental of people? Especially when talking about tolerance.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Jray573 View Post
    I agree with this 100%, but had to omit the last paragraph to say that. The reasons aren't excuses not to lift the ban, but they are things to prepare for when they do.

    I don't know if you were ever in the military, but the rank of General is incredibly political.
    The job of General is only as political as the military and the political leaders allows. Their job is to serve the State and the State is the people and should stay the hell out of real politics as long as they wear that uniform. I could care less about internal military politics, but the military takes their orders from the people via their political masters. It is not the other way around. Society is accepting of homosexuals and there should be no difference in the military..

    I mean come on.. does this guy really think that homosexuals go around with a bonner on constantly due to all the hot men in the military? Do hetrosexuals men go around with a bonner just because of a few females among them? Do males do that constantly in the private workspace?

    Is it possible that you need to be less judgmental of people? Especially when talking about tolerance.
    Tolerance? Why the hell should I be less judgemental of people who lack tolerance and wish to deny basic rights against a portion of the population based on sexuality, religion or what not? Sorry but such views are unacceptable and should be fought against regardless of who believes it. Being a General does NOT give you a get out jail free card for having bigot beliefs that belong in the dark ages and not in the 21st century.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Sorry but it is bs.

    This ban on homosexuals in the military is a leftover from the days when homosexuality was banned in general in society, either by law or by some sort of society moral often enforced by the church and the state.

    While society has managed for the most part to get rid of the bans on homosexuality, the ban still remains entrenched in the macho world of the military.

    There whole argument is the same lame argument that they used to prevent women severing in the military and that argument was overcome for the most part.

    The argument is an old mans conservative argument that is based on the age old dividing up of roles in society.. men hunt and provide, women are homemakers and breeding machines. Anyone stepping outside this predefined role are punished. Like it or not, we dont live in the 1400s anymore, but in the 21st century.

    These generals are homophobic period. Anyone against gays in the military are homophobic. Anyone against women in the military are sexist. That is a fact. These generals should do their freaking job instead of getting mixed up in politics.. if they want to be in politics, then leave the military and do so.. dont sit behind the desk at the pentagon and promote their narrow-minded crap.
    I'm glad you don't get to vote in our elections, your mouthfoaming rhetoric gives me a headache. You don't mind spending US taxpayer dollars since you don't have to contribute. This is all going to create a larger burden on the taxpayers.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This is all going to create a larger burden on the taxpayers.
    Then cut the budget on our optional wars. Problem solved.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Then cut the budget on our optional wars. Problem solved.
    Write your Congressman, don't bitch to me about it.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Write your Congressman, don't bitch to me about it.
    You do the same

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    You do the same
    I wasn't bitching to YOU.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The job of General is only as political as the military and the political leaders allows. Their job is to serve the State and the State is the people and should stay the hell out of real politics as long as they wear that uniform. I could care less about internal military politics, but the military takes their orders from the people via their political masters. It is not the other way around. Society is accepting of homosexuals and there should be no difference in the military..
    This is the most ridiculous description of the role of General I have ever heard. Do you think that they study and train in the strategies of war for their entire career to become the slaves of elected officials? They are the experts. To refuse to listen to them on military matters is foolish. Your concept is lacking

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I mean come on.. does this guy really think that homosexuals go around with a bonner on constantly due to all the hot men in the military? Do hetrosexuals men go around with a bonner just because of a few females among them? Do males do that constantly in the private workspace?
    Have you been in the military? Actually, I left the military and went to the oilfield and it's much the same out here. Put a girl on an offshore drilling rig and guys go nuts. It's something about women in a masculine environment.

    Though seriously, this still isn't justification to exclude. Just something that should be planned for.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Tolerance? Why the hell should I be less judgemental of people who lack tolerance and wish to deny basic rights against a portion of the population based on sexuality, religion or what not? Sorry but such views are unacceptable and should be fought against regardless of who believes it. Being a General does NOT give you a get out jail free card for having bigot beliefs that belong in the dark ages and not in the 21st century.
    If you can't be tolerant to those you disagree with, how do you expect the ones you consider to be intolerant to ever adapt? I don't see how you can preach one thing and do another. I'm not saying you should condone hatred, but it would be nice if you didn't embrace it.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Jray573 View Post
    This is the most ridiculous description of the role of General I have ever heard. Do you think that they study and train in the strategies of war for their entire career to become the slaves of elected officials? They are the experts. To refuse to listen to them on military matters is foolish. Your concept is lacking



    Have you been in the military? Actually, I left the military and went to the oilfield and it's much the same out here. Put a girl on an offshore drilling rig and guys go nuts. It's something about women in a masculine environment.

    Though seriously, this still isn't justification to exclude. Just something that should be planned for.



    If you can't be tolerant to those you disagree with, how do you expect the ones you consider to be intolerant to ever adapt? I don't see how you can preach one thing and do another. I'm not saying you should condone hatred, but it would be nice if you didn't embrace it.
    Maybe this is the way the Spanish military thinks.
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