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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Does Ethereal still serve? If so, I think the military would have serious problems with his smoking marijuana. Because he smokes, it's okay to smoke. Because he's heterosexual, it's not okay to allow gay people to serve.
    Especially if they smoke weed. Ooopps..... *walks away*
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Got a link for this patently false claim, or is this another "oh it's not official but that's just how it works" situations?



    So are you still claiming that Congress cannot change the UCMJ without the Supreme Court's approval, or have you given up on that?
    Got anything to add, or are you just trolling?

    But, yes that's how it works in the military. Ask anyone who has been there and they'll tell you the same thing.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    National defense and national security trump civil rights.


    Marine Corps: Words of warning about lifting 'gay' ban (OneNewsNow.com)


    The Marine Corps' top uniformed officer says that the ability of troops to fight and win wars must trump other concerns as the nation weighs whether to allow homosexuals to serve openly.



    Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Conway told a House panel Wednesday he supports a Pentagon assessment to determine how to lift the ban. But he also suggested that civil rights would ultimately have to take a back seat if it meant tampering with the military's ability to protect the nation.


    Conway is seen as the most resistant among the service chiefs to efforts under way in Congress and the Pentagon to repeal the 1993 "don't ask, don't tell" law.


    He said his concern was that military effectiveness would become "secondary to the discussion."

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm happy to discuss the issue and don't completely disagree with you. I, however, will NOT tolerate someone making the ridiculous claims that because you do not have direct experience in an area, you cannot discuss it. It's a weak debate tactic, and I will confront it when I see it and demonstrate it's lack of logic. Or, if folks would prefer, I can play the same game throughout the forum.
    No one is saying you can't discuss it. Only that those who propose the abolition of DADT and have never served in the military are opining from an uninformed position, such as the, "they'll do it and like it, because that's how the military works and it's not a democracy and blah, blah, blah", talking point that is a million miles from reality.

    Most service members are telling you, from different angles, that repealing DADT is a bad idea. If 7 out of 10 mechanics say your car is broke, do you think it might be broke? Or are you going to go along with the 3 guys that say it isn't, just because that's what you want to believe.

    Even more tiring is the, "I've never spent a day in th military and up till now didn't even give a **** about the quality of our fighting force, but I know more than a veteran about how the military works, just the same; and do you have a link for that?".

    We've talked till we're blue in the face, tlling you all about the problems that are going to grow out of this and how it's not going to have the magically wonderful positive affect on our armed forces that some folks think it will and we're repeatedly told that we--serving and former service members--don't know what the hell we're talking about. And, no, we don't have a link to prove it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    National defense and national security trump civil rights.


    Marine Corps: Words of warning about lifting 'gay' ban (OneNewsNow.com)


    The Marine Corps' top uniformed officer says that the ability of troops to fight and win wars must trump other concerns as the nation weighs whether to allow homosexuals to serve openly.



    Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Conway told a House panel Wednesday he supports a Pentagon assessment to determine how to lift the ban. But he also suggested that civil rights would ultimately have to take a back seat if it meant tampering with the military's ability to protect the nation.


    Conway is seen as the most resistant among the service chiefs to efforts under way in Congress and the Pentagon to repeal the 1993 "don't ask, don't tell" law.


    He said his concern was that military effectiveness would become "secondary to the discussion."
    You base your assertion on one guy's opinion? Okaaaaaaaaaaay.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    You base your assertion on one guy's opinion? Okaaaaaaaaaaay.
    apsy, don't shoot the messenger. He was only quoting.
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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Alright ..we'll build separate barracks and bathrooms for them and raise your taxes to pay for it.

    Problem solved
    The problem is even more easily solved. no new housing...house men and women in the same rooms. Whats the difference?

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    apsy, don't shoot the messenger. He was only quoting.
    I got the impression he had incorporated that opinion as his own.

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    You base your assertion on one guy's opinion? Okaaaaaaaaaaay.
    Another general. The left started this by saying a couple generals said it should be repealed. Fact is their are generals on both sides

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    Re: 2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Another general. The left started this by saying a couple generals said it should be repealed. Fact is their are generals on both sides
    Ahhh. Okay. On that point, we agree.

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