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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You missed one little detail.....the 77 days they are underway they are submerged......
    Which is less time out to sea than almost any other ship. It doesn't matter if they are submerged or on the surface. Being submerged just means they are probably going to have less, if any, access to communication with the outside world. It doesn't mean that they are more likely to do anything.

    The Navy has a good plan for putting women on subs. They are putting them on the biggest subs, with the higher percentage of married sailors. They most likely won't be going out on long deployments, so this means less time having to be away from loved ones. They're starting by establishing a solid chain of command and mentorship program for females that should greatly help the transition and reduce problems. And, since they're going relatively slow, they should have plenty of time to reevaluate their plan if they have any major issues. There really aren't too many issues that the Navy hasn't come up with a plan for or knows enough about to watch for. There probably will be some problems, but I don't think any major ones should come up.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Simple solution - all-woman subs.
    In theory, this would eliminate a lot of problems and seem to be the perfect solution. In reality, from the Navy's POV, it's just not practical.

    First, the Navy doesn't actually believe that they have enough women that want to volunteer for sub duty to man a sub, even a fast attack. Not in the right rates anyway. Billeting isn't just about getting somebody on the boat. It's about getting the person who can do the job in to do the job who has the proper training. So, even if they could find 150 women who want to go subs, they probably wouldn't be the exact women needed to properly man and operate the submarine. Getting enough women, with the proper qualifications, could take a long time.

    Second, some of the jobs on subs are only done on subs, so there would be no chance for the women to get OJT. And some of the equipment found on subs is a lot different than that found on surface ships. Learning to operate the equipment takes time. They wouldn't have anyone to train them. Sailors are not qualified to do much, even if they have gone to school, as soon as they get to their ship. Learning to operate the equipment and essentially run whatever part of the ship you're responsible for takes time, and your teachers are those sailors who have been doing it. Who would teach the women how to run the sub? Being fully qualified to operate some parts of the sub can take as much as 18 months, and that's when you have most of the rest of the personnel already trained, with experience on things that might go wrong.

    Also, it would take a long time to get the women-only sub operating at the same level as the male subs. I doubt the Navy would be willing waste that much time and money just to have a female-only submarine. Not to mention they probably wouldn't be willing to risk the sub.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In theory, this would eliminate a lot of problems and seem to be the perfect solution. In reality, from the Navy's POV, it's just not practical.

    First, the Navy doesn't actually believe that they have enough women that want to volunteer for sub duty to man a sub, even a fast attack. Not in the right rates anyway. Billeting isn't just about getting somebody on the boat. It's about getting the person who can do the job in to do the job who has the proper training. So, even if they could find 150 women who want to go subs, they probably wouldn't be the exact women needed to properly man and operate the submarine. Getting enough women, with the proper qualifications, could take a long time.

    Second, some of the jobs on subs are only done on subs, so there would be no chance for the women to get OJT. And some of the equipment found on subs is a lot different than that found on surface ships. Learning to operate the equipment takes time. They wouldn't have anyone to train them. Sailors are not qualified to do much, even if they have gone to school, as soon as they get to their ship. Learning to operate the equipment and essentially run whatever part of the ship you're responsible for takes time, and your teachers are those sailors who have been doing it. Who would teach the women how to run the sub? Being fully qualified to operate some parts of the sub can take as much as 18 months, and that's when you have most of the rest of the personnel already trained, with experience on things that might go wrong.

    Also, it would take a long time to get the women-only sub operating at the same level as the male subs. I doubt the Navy would be willing waste that much time and money just to have a female-only submarine. Not to mention they probably wouldn't be willing to risk the sub.
    I was kidding.

    Just let them serve with the guys. They can be adults, I just know it.

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