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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

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    It is a schweet weapon fo' sho'. We always had much respect for our airdales and the job they did. Cream of the crop, they were.

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    Hearing them fire is a trip. Movies get those noises so wrong. Sounds like the worlds largest chain saw.

    edit: whole Navy is cream of the crop. Certain people dismiss the navy in that we don't go fight on the ground, without ever realizing that the stressed involved in 6+ months at sea are, while different, pretty extreme.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Hearing them fire is a trip. Movies get those noises so wrong. Sounds like the worlds largest chain saw.

    edit: whole Navy is cream of the crop. Certain people dismiss the navy in that we don't go fight on the ground, without ever realizing that the stressed involved in 6+ months at sea are, while different, pretty extreme.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    ...stuff...
    How about we just say that the whole military is, in general, "cream of the crop"?
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    How about we just say that the whole military is, in general, "cream of the crop"?
    #1 Because they are not.

    #2 Because I was joking hence the at the end.

    Get with the Internets man!
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    #1 Because they are not.
    The military might protect us very, very well but, as far as being human beings they sometimes leave a lot to be desired.

    Military Culture Punishes Rape Victims instead of Rapists

    Feminists are keenly aware that we live in a society that promotes a rape culture. I can think of few places that is this more obvious than in the rank and file of today's military. Women in uniform are finding themselves, too many times, victims of sexual assault and rape -- only to be re-victimized by the process of trying to get help and see justice served.

    According to this BBC article, which I had a hard time reading without wanting to yell and cry in alternating bouts, a 2003 survey conducted by the University of Iowa found that a whopping 30% of 500 interviewed woman veterans said they'd been victim to an attempted or completed rape. The DoD estimates that in 2009 about 90 percent of sexual assaults and rapes went unreported, admittedly in part due to an restricted reporting option.

    What else are we to expect, when we read stories like that of Marti Ribeiro, who felt she had to choose between reporting her rape and being punished herself? Hers is not a unique story, because it is all too common that a woman has to choose between being ostracized by her unit or command in seeking justice, or being herself punished for a minor offense, such as laying down her weapon, while her rapist goes free or is transferred. These stories fill my inbox, and if Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez is telling the truth, I am not the only one receiving these messages.

    These rapes and assaults are committed by men in uniform, yet it is the women in uniform who are punished, either by non-judicial punishments for minor things that should not prevent a courts martial for rape going forward, or by being forced out of their careers. The culture of masculinity within the military is a breeding ground for a rape culture that is running rampant in the ranks and sometimes is giving credence to those who would have us believe that women don't belong in uniform to begin with.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    The military might protect us very, very well but, as far as being human beings they sometimes leave a lot to be desired.


    Military Culture Punishes Rape Victims instead of Rapists | Women's Rights | Change.org

    It's conduct like this, by men!, that shines a light on just one major problem with our military. This is from the top on down. And anybody who has ever served knows it.
    The first line pretty much sums up the whole stupid article....

    "Feminists are keenly aware that we live in a society that promotes a rape culture."

    It's this kind of stupidity that causes people to look like ****ing morons.

    #1 it was a joke, not a commentary on anything in the military. Definitely not rape.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    #1 Because they are not.

    #2 Because I was joking hence the at the end.

    Get with the Internets man!
    Don't worry. I understood, and set it up to an extent. Cross service rivalry is a good thing.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Hearing them fire is a trip. Movies get those noises so wrong. Sounds like the worlds largest chain saw.

    edit: whole Navy is cream of the crop. Certain people dismiss the navy in that we don't go fight on the ground, without ever realizing that the stressed involved in 6+ months at sea are, while different, pretty extreme.
    i've done a pump in Iraq, and I did a MEU (Marine Expeditionary Unit), which is also known as a "float" due to the fact that you spend your whole time on a boat. After 6+ months on the Iwo Jima, i can tell you, the stress of being in-country simply isn't comparable. i'd be willing to extend the possibility to the sub guys because i just haven't been there and don't know, but the surface navy? please. i don't recall field trips and port calls being part of the agenda in Fallujah.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    It's conduct like this, by men!, that shines a light on just one major problem with our military. This is from the top on down. And anybody who has ever served knows it.
    i've served; i've literally never seen this come up as an issue. the study is crap, and people who are too eager to believe and propagate it merely expose themselves.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    The military might protect us very, very well but, as far as being human beings they sometimes leave a lot to be desired.


    Military Culture Punishes Rape Victims instead of Rapists | Women's Rights | Change.org

    It's conduct like this, by men!, that shines a light on just one major problem with our military. This is from the top on down. And anybody who has ever served knows it.
    Having served, and in a very male dominated field, I have to say this report is full of it.

    First of all, when was this done? Who were the veterans they surveyed and when did they serve? I know most of the guys I served with were very protective of most of the girls in the division. Heck, I changed in the same area as the guys in one of the places I worked. It wasn't really a big deal. The guys are sometimes overprotective in fact. I was drunk at a party once, and one of the guys was annoying me. The other guys threw him out of the house for grabbing my hand when I told him not to.
    Another important point is the report doesn't say that all of the 30% were raped/assaulted by other military members, just that they were victims of rape/assault. It doesn't even say they were all committed by men.
    The only time I was ever even close to being "sexually assaulted" during my ten years active was walking down the sidewalk in Waikiki, and the person who did it was a drunk civilian female. She grabbed my boobs while I was trying to hold her up.

    Also, restricted reporting makes it more likely for rapes and sexual assaults to be reported, not less. The victim gets the medical attention and support needed without having an investigation started. And a restricted report can be changed to an unrestricted at any time. Restricted reports of sexual assault/rape are still considered being reported, they just aren't investigated. I don't know why anyone would claim this would make them more likely to be unreported.

    And no matter what some want to believe, some women do lie about being sexually assaulted or raped. Some do it to get out of being in trouble with either the military or with their significant other. We had a girl get transferred to my ship because of this.
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