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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm perfectly fine with the Navy hiring women to do certain jobs and men to do others. How that is discrimination is beyond me. If the Navy didn't hire women period, you'd have a point. If they fired women on the basis that they are women and nothing else. You'd have a point and it would be discrimination. But an employer assigning employees to certain positions based on 1. Problems which will arise as a result regarding performance 2. Ergonomics and last and probably least, 3. because it simply makes sense is fine with me and apparently the U.S. constitution as far as "rights" are concerned
    Assigning positions based on skill is one thing. Flat out PROHIBITING an entire ****ing segment of the population is entirely another. I mean, prior to '48, blacks weren't ALLOWED in many positions in the military, and they were segregated. That's okay with you? Since they were allowed in the military, and all, right? Doesn't matter that blacks were just cooks and whatnot because they were deemed too stupid and weak to do anything of real importance? I mean, they were at least allowed to walk through the door, so that makes it all a-ok.

    Gimme a ****ing break. Jesus, I may as well be talking to my nephew for all the comprehension you're displaying here.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is true of all ships though. Even on a carrier, you really can't get away.
    I served on a bird farm with the chick-a-dee's. Believe me, there are so many cubby holes on a carrier. Places to catch a buzz or cop a feel.

    But you're right. You couldn't just walk home.

    Myself, I used to just go lay low under the C.I.W.S. The temperature was always cool in there and it was our home away from home (Fire Control.)

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I served on a bird farm with the chick-a-dee's. Believe me, there are so many cubby holes on a carrier. Places to catch a buzz or cop a feel.

    But you're right. You couldn't just walk home.

    Myself, I used to just go lay low under the C.I.W.S. The temperature was always cool in there and it was our home away from home (Fire Control.)
    CIWS was kinda a magical thing us airdales did not know much about and did not mess with.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    CIWS was kinda a magical thing us airdales did not know much about and did not mess with.
    It is a schweet weapon fo' sho'. We always had much respect for our airdales and the job they did. Cream of the crop, they were.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Assigning positions based on skill is one thing. Flat out PROHIBITING an entire ****ing segment of the population is entirely another. I mean, prior to '48, blacks weren't ALLOWED in many positions in the military, and they were segregated. That's okay with you? Since they were allowed in the military, and all, right? Doesn't matter that blacks were just cooks and whatnot because they were deemed too stupid and weak to do anything of real importance? I mean, they were at least allowed to walk through the door, so that makes it all a-ok.

    Gimme a ****ing break. Jesus, I may as well be talking to my nephew for all the comprehension you're displaying here.
    Sounds like he's not saying what you want him to.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Sounds like he's not saying what you want him to.
    I don't *want* him to say anything.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Gee, I dunno. Maybe the same rights that were violated when blacks were in the same position prior to 1948.
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_African_Americans]Military history of African Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    There hasn't been a single conflict the U.S. has been involved in which blacks haven't served. From cooks to officers. Not sure what the hell it is you're talking about. - Now show us how separating groups based on non-existant physical and anatomical differences is comparable to separating groups which have demonstrable physical and anatomical differences. I'll wait. Better yet. Bring up which "equal right" is being violated.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Assigning positions based on skill is one thing.
    So is the military assigning positions based on *whatever* the military wants. Show us any different or quit the "equal rights" argument.

    Flat out PROHIBITING an entire ****ing segment of the population is entirely another.
    No it is not. The navy hires women for all high ranking positions. It has deemed that not allowing them on submarines is the best option for efficiency. I agree. If women were not allowed in the Navy or allowed to go up in ranks at all, you'd have a point. But that is not the case now is it. Now which "equal right" is being violated here?

    I mean, prior to '48, blacks weren't ALLOWED in many positions in the military,
    This is false.

    and they were segregated.That's okay with you? Since they were allowed in the military, and all, right? Doesn't matter that blacks were just cooks and whatnot because they were deemed too stupid and weak to do anything of real importance? I mean, they were at least allowed to walk through the door, so that makes it all a-ok.
    I couldn't wait until you brought up this ridiculous angle. Mostly because it is a sign that you are losing the argument. The U.S. military has allowed blacks in all major positions in the military since the war of independence there has been everything black from officers to cooks. But since you know absolutely nothing of black people or the military it is not surprising you wouldn't know this. What actually happened is that the military kept units segregated up until WWII. It simply did not make sense - for organizational purposes - to keep units segregated. Before that? Black officers were allowed to go up the ranks just as well as white ones. The segregation was brought on as a result of belief. Not demonstrable differences. So no. your comparison is false and ridiculous.

    Gimme a ****ing break. Jesus, I may as well be talking to my nephew for all the comprehension you're displaying here.
    I've asked you in 3 different posts to show us which equal right is being violated. Because you obviously do not seem to be able to. You just keep throwing out historical inaccuracies and vague terms like "equal rights". Which right? Which constitutional right is being violated here?
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No it is not.
    Yes, it is.

    This is false.
    No, it is not. If it were false, then Truman wouldn't have had to sign an executive order demanding equal opportunity and treatment for blacks, now would he?

    EDIT: Done with you Hatuey. I'll only beat my head against a wall so many times before I realize it's pointless to keep arguing with someone who is seemingly incapable of comprehending the actual conversation. Not going around in your silly, ignorant circles any longer. I have more interesting things to do... like... watch paint dry.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Yes, it is.

    No, it is not. If it were false, then Truman wouldn't have had to sign an executive order demanding equal opportunity and treatment for blacks, now would he?
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_African_Americans]Military history of African Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    War of Indep.

    In response, and because of manpower shortages, Washington lifted the ban on black enlistment in the Continental Army in January 1776. All-black units were formed in Rhode Island and Massachusetts; many were slaves promised freedom for serving in lieu of their masters; another all-African-American unit came from Haiti with French forces. At least 5,000 African-American soldiers fought as Revolutionaries, and at least 20,000 served with the British.

    ...

    Black volunteers also served with various of the South Carolina guerrilla units, including that of the "Swamp Fox", Francis Marion, half of whose force sometimes consisted of free Blacks. These Black troops made a critical difference in the fighting in the swamps, since they were immune to malaria through sickle-cell anemia, and kept Marion's guerrillas effective even when many of his White troops were down with malaria or yellow fever
    War of 1812:

    During the War of 1812, about one-quarter of the personnel in the American naval squadrons of the Battle of Lake Erie were black, and portrait renderings of the battle on the wall of the Nation's Capitol and the rotunda of Ohio's Capitol show that blacks played a significant role in it.
    Mexican War:

    Also, soldiers from the Louisiana Battalion of Free Men of Color participated in this war. Blacks also served on a number of naval vessels during the Mexican War, including the U.S.S. Portsmouth, and the U.S.S. Columbus[3].
    Civil War :

    The history of African Americans in the U.S. Civil War is marked by 186,097 (7,122 officers, 178,975 enlisted)[4] African American men, comprising 163 units, who served in the Union Army during the Civil War, and many more African Americans served in the Union Navy. Both free African Americans and runaway slaves joined the fight. On the Confederate side, blacks, both free and slave, were used for labor, but the issue of whether to arm them, and under what terms, became a major source of debate amongst those in the South. On March 13th, 1865 the Confederate Congress enacted a statute to allow the enlistment of African Americans but less than fifty were ever recruited.
    Indian Wars:

    From the 1870s to the early 20th century, African American units were utilized by the United States Government to combat the Native Americans during the Indian Wars. Perhaps the most noted among this group were the Buffalo Soldiers:
    9th Cavalry Regiment
    10th Cavalry Regiment
    24th Infantry Regiment
    25th Infantry Regiment
    27th Cavalry Regiment[5]
    28th Cavalry Regiment[5][6][7]
    Spanish-American War:

    After the Indian Wars ended in the 1890s, the regiments continued to serve and participated in the Spanish-American War (including the Battle of San Juan Hill), where five more Medals of Honor were earned. They took part in the 1916 Punitive Expedition into Mexico and in the Philippine-American War. The Spanish-American War's General Shafter preferred his "Buffalo Soldiers" to their white counterparts.
    WWI

    The U.S. armed forces remained segregated through World War I. Still, many African Americans eagerly volunteered to join the Allied cause following America's entry into the war. By the time of the armistice with Germany on November 1918, over 350,000 African Americans had served with the American Expeditionary Force in on the Western Front.

    Most African American units were largely relegated to support roles and did not see combat. Still, African Americans played a minor role in America's war effort. One of the most distinguished units was the 369th Infantry Regiment, known as the "Harlem Hellfighters", which was on the front lines for six months, longer than any other American unit in the war. 171 members of the 369th were awarded the Legion of Merit.
    That is just the start. Black officers, cooks, sea bees, buffalo soldiers etc. No. Your argument is false. Which positions are you talking about that blacks were not allowed into? I'm still waiting for that one. Or are you going to show us a Cuba Gooding Jr movie?
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