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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It doesn't. Because to anybody who thinks above a 12 grade level, this isn't about personal experience on a submarine. It is a simple matter of ergonomics and what is reasonable and what isn't. Now how many more posts are you going to make because you feel insulted by your own lack of knowledge being exposed?



    Considering you made 3 posts on me calling out your ignorance, I'm pretty sure I could make him cry.
    No dear, I made three posts calling you out on your hypocrisy because I found it so amusing. And to show how little of what you have to say actually means anything. And I will continue to point it out when I see it.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The number of ships is irrelevant to the discussion.
    Of course it is relevant you complete bellicum ignoramum. If you change the accommodations on a single submarine. You have to change them on every submarine.

    They don't have to be retro'd.
    And I've already explained this to you in 8-9 different posts. It doesn't matter whether or not you think they have to or not. They will be. Because of people who want to feel good about themselves. Ie. You.

    I know that you seem to agree with the ****tards that think they do, but they don't have to be.

    And I, as well as many others, disagree. Equal rights isn't something we can 'skimp' on.
    Show me a single law that says that any employer has to allow women and men to do the same kinds of jobs. Show me a single one. Just one? Thanks.

    Wrong about what?
    Your knowledge of the military. Submarines. Etc etc. We can wait.

    Equal rights isn't PC.
    An employer fulfills her commitment to employment rights the minute you are hired. What position you occupy inside the workplace is entirely at the discretion of the employer.

    When you succeed, let me know, k? Maybe I'll cry, or ... something.

    Women being allowed to enter into any job that a man is allowed to enter into. Sexism isn't equal rights.
    See above.

    Equal rights isn't "PC". It's what we, as a country, do and stand for. It's what our military fights and dies for and yet the military is really one of the final places where equal rights ARE NOT given. Ironic, that.
    See above. Everything else you've typed is just rehashing of your ridiculous belief that not being put in just any position because the employer doesn't want to is somehow a violation of your rights. If your employer hires you to cook fries but you have training in cash, it doesn't matter where you think you should work. It is at the discretion of the employer and what you've been hired to do. If the Navy doesn't want women serving on submarines, it simply has to say so. No violations of equal rights because it has already hired women.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No dear, I made three posts calling you out on your hypocrisy because I found it so amusing. And to show how little of what you have to say actually means anything. And I will continue to point it out when I see it.
    Here. Since you're so keen on using words that are obviously too big for you:

    Definition of hypocrisy :

    insincerity by virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that you do not really have
    Now, I honestly do not care who else is debating in this thread. Their experiences? Just as irrelevant as yours. Who they are? Even more irrelevant. Or are you mad you're the only one who got called out for arguing that this is debate has anything to do with equal rights?
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Of course it is relevant you complete bellicum ignoramum. If you change the accommodations on a single submarine. You have to change them on every submarine.
    No need to.


    And I've already explained this to you in 8-9 different posts. It doesn't matter whether or not you think they have to or not. They will be. Because of people who want to feel good about themselves. Ie. You.
    Yes dear, I know idiots WANT to change them, and they likely will due to other idiots. But there is no need to.


    Show me a single law that says that any employer has to allow women and men to do the same kinds of jobs. Show me a single one. Just one? Thanks.
    Never said there was. But there's also not a law PROHIBITING women from entering into certain workforces. EXCEPT in the military. Pull your head out of your ass.

    An employer fulfills her commitment to employment rights the minute you are hired. What position you occupy inside the workplace is entirely at the discretion of the employer.
    Yup. As it should be. And?


    See above. Everything else you've typed is just rehashing of your ridiculous belief that not being put in just any position because the employer doesn't want to is somehow a violation of your rights. If your employer hires you to cook fries but you have training in cash, it doesn't matter where you think you should work. It is at the discretion of the employer and what you've been hired to do. If the Navy doesn't want women serving on submarines, it simply has to say so. No violations of equal rights because it has already hired women.
    LMFAO It's a violation of equal rights when the ****ing government PROHIBITS a group of people from doing something that another group of people can do. Jesus christ, are you really that ****ing dense? I don't give a flying **** what private businesses do. I don't give a flying **** if some private businesses flat out ****ing refuse to hire blacks, or women, or gays. Do. not. care. What I do care about is the GOVERNMENT legally prohibiting a specific group of people from doing something that another group of people CAN do.

    Jesus, I feel like I'm talking to a 3yr old.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Here. Since you're so keen on using words that are obviously too big for you:

    Definition of hypocrisy :



    Now, I honestly do not care who else is debating in this thread. Their experiences? Just as irrelevant as yours. Who they are? Even more irrelevant. Or are you mad you're the only one who got called out for arguing that this is debate has anything to do with equal rights?
    Called out?? The very basis of the argument is equal rights. There is no "calling out" to be done, sweetie. There is simply some reading comprehension and basic linguistic understanding required on your part. Why don't you try it before continuing to make an ass of yourself.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No need to.

    Yes dear, I know idiots WANT to change them, and they likely will due to other idiots. But there is no need to.
    And you're still arguing from the perspective of a 12 year old. It doesn't matter what you feel people don't need to do. It is about what will actually happen. Why is it so hard for you to understand that simple fact of life?

    Never said there was. But there's also not a law PROHIBITING women from entering into certain workforces. EXCEPT in the military. Pull your head out of your ass.
    The military doesn't have to put anybody in any position it doesn't want to regardless of what jobs they apply for or are trained to do. To imply that they are somehow violating equal rights for doing something they are within their legal rights as employers to do is ridiculous.

    Yup. As it should be. And?
    So then which right as guaranteed by the constitution is being violated here? Which employment law? I suppose you'll have something more than "equal rights". That you will actually provide the right and law being violated by not putting women to work on submarines.

    LMFAO It's a violation of equal rights when the ****ing government PROHIBITS a group of people from doing something that another group of people can do.
    Show me a single federal employment law that was broken.

    Jesus christ, are you really that ****ing dense? I don't give a flying **** what private businesses do. I don't give a flying **** if some private businesses flat out ****ing refuse to hire blacks, or women, or gays. Do. not. care. What I do care about is the GOVERNMENT legally prohibiting a specific group of people from doing something that another group of people CAN do.

    Jesus, I feel like I'm talking to a 3yr old.
    - So then you should have no problem showing us which "equal rights" the Navy is violating by not putting women on submarines. Why can't you do something that simple? I'll wait. An employer regardless of whether it is private or public - as the government is - does not have to hire anybody to be in any position regardless of whether or not they are male or female, black, white or gay.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Called out?? The very basis of the argument is equal rights.
    Show us which right was violated. Show us a single amendment within the constitution that was broken. Show us some legal basis for this "equal rights" argument. Or please go away with it? It is quite boring and disingenuous. Sorry. I'll use a smaller word. Dishonest.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    The military doesn't have to put anybody in any position it doesn't want to regardless of what jobs they apply for or are trained to do. To imply that they are somehow violating equal rights for doing something they are within their legal rights as employers to do is ridiculous.
    Well, they are federally funded, Hatuey.
    It's not like they're private employers.
    As women, our hard-earned tax dollars shouldn't have to go to fund institutions that discriminate against women.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Well, they are federally funded, Hatuey.
    It's not like they're private employers.
    As women, our hard-earned tax dollars shouldn't have to go to fund institutions that discriminate against women.
    I'm perfectly fine with the Navy hiring women to do certain jobs and men to do others. How that is discrimination is beyond me. If the Navy didn't hire women period, you'd have a point. If they fired women on the basis that they are women and nothing else. You'd have a point and it would be discrimination. But an employer assigning employees to certain positions based on 1. Problems which will arise as a result regarding performance 2. Ergonomics and last and probably least, 3. because it simply makes sense is fine with me and apparently the U.S. constitution as far as "rights" are concerned
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Show us which right was violated. Show us a single amendment within the constitution that was broken. Show us some legal basis for this "equal rights" argument. Or please go away with it? It is quite boring and disingenuous. Sorry. I'll use a smaller word. Dishonest.
    Gee, I dunno. Maybe the same rights that were violated when blacks were in the same position prior to 1948.

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