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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    blah blah blah you are discriminating against me because i am a man.
    WTF?

    i didn'y say that a women shouldn't be allowed on a sub i said that they cannot do the physical things that a man can no matter what you may believe
    Really now? So there's no woman that can do the physical tasks required on a sub? Seriously? That's your stand?

    and also their bodies take longer time to recover from stress because testosterone helps in aiding muscle to recover faster and because women don't produce a lot of it. they are going to be more prone to injuries.
    So when they lift a measly 50 or 100lbs, they're going to have to stay in bed for a day or something? What are you going on about? I've worked in very physically demanding industries most of my life. I've done jobs and performed tasks that most of my male customers couldn't do. I didn't notice any of us gals requiring any longer "recovery time" than any of our male peers. Just a simple 8hrs of sleep.

    Additionally, proper training on how to prevent injuries would be prudent for both genders, regardless.

    Now, can you prove that no woman can perform the required tasks on a sub?
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    absolutely. who cares if more of our people die, so long as we back in the civilian world don't have to suffer from liberal guilt because somebody somewhere was still putting efficiency and mission accomplishment ahead of identity group politics?
    Give it a rest. No one will die because of this.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    If all you're going to do is avoid answering questions, there isn't going to be that much to listen to.

    I'm fine where I am. Are you confident enough in your understanding to answer my questions?

    You said that before, or at least words to that effect. My response now is the same as it was then - so what? Judge each individual equally, regardless of gender - you will get less women than men, but you will not be discriminating unfairly. At the moment, you are.

    Edit: ditto @Gray Fox
    I think I was talking about and all female ship at the time because in this day and era the way subs are built you can't have it any other way.........
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It takes a special kind of person to serve on a fast attack or a trident sub...When they go to sea they are underwater for up to 90 days....Never seeing the sunshine or the light of day.......I don't know why anyone would want to serve on one let alone a woman.....I have been out to sea for up to 90 days and that was bad enough but at least when knock off ships work was called at 1600 I could go back on the fantail of the ship and have a cup of coffee...Can't do that on a sub....
    I served in an Army hospital for more than 90 days and it was..

    ..soft and cushy

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    If they have all female crews, then they need to have crews that are physically capable of performing the necessary tasks. Same as men.


    Why would it be 'hard as hell'? It's really quite simple to set standards of physical requirements for PEOPLE to serve on a sub and then abide by them. Do they let men serve on a sub who can't lift a measly 50lbs?
    I would ask you if you would mind if your husband if you had a husband served on a submarine with females but knowing you I think I already know the answer.....Most wives would be dead against it and trust be the power at be would take that into consideration....
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    The dirty part of my mind just came to the fore.

    Must....resist....posting....further....
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    When they babies submerge they stay submerged until their patrol is over.........
    In all honesty, I think it's definitely an issue they have to consider. We can say all we want that people can be responsible, and that we won't get into these situations. And individually, yes people can be responsible. But group dynamics will be different and it will come up eventually. If enough women serve on subs, given time, people will come up pregnant. And the military is really going to have to consider what they need to do in a time like that. Especially in a sub which is already very very tight quarters. What sort of contingency plan is there? As I understand it, tours on a sub are very long and you are not going to be able to just get off the boat. So there needs to be a plan in place just in case, you're not going to want to deal with it dynamically.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Like female firefighters have to be strong?
    Totally not the same. Not even comparable.

    The Army did studies on what women could do physically.

    They are now helicopter pilots, sappers, air defenders, parachutists, etc.

    They are restricted from a few MOS for a reason.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is why the senior officers are gutless..........If you ask them on the record a lot of them will say go for it, they can do it..........If you ask them off the record its a different story.....They know not agreeing with the big shots could be the kiss of death for a promotion or even their career........
    Not Army Generals. They will overturn DADT llloooooonnnngggg before they ever let women into the infantry.

    You can take that to the bank.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    WTF?
    I am sorry I didn't like the way you'd write blah blah blah. it was offensive to me

    Really now? So there's no woman that can do the physical tasks required on a sub? Seriously? That's your stand?
    No. There are but they can't do the extra heavy stuff.

    So when they lift a measly 50 or 100lbs, they're going to have to stay in bed for a day or something? What are you going on about? I've worked in very physically demanding industries most of my life. I've done jobs and performed tasks that most of my male customers couldn't do. I didn't notice any of us gals requiring any longer "recovery time" than any of our male peers. Just a simple 8hrs of sleep.
    ok, but isn't just the heavy lifting its the psychological attack of being submerged and not seeing the sun and staying in close quarters.
    Additionally, proper training on how to prevent injuries would be prudent for both genders, regardless.

    Now, can you prove that no woman can perform the required tasks on a sub?
    I can prove it as there has never been a women in a submarine before!

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