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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Wow pick on someone across threads much, American?

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Here is something interesting:

    "In 1995, Army researchers came up with a new study that concludes that, when a woman is correctly trained, she can be as tough as any man (Harman, 1995).

    The report by the US Army Research Institute of Environmental Medicine at Natick, MA was led by senior analyst Everett Harman. "You don't need testosterone to get strong," Harman concluded. Through a regimen of regular jogging, weight training, and other rigorous exercise, more that 75 percent of the 41 women studied were able to prepare themselves to successfully perform duties traditionally performed by males in the military. Before training, less than 25 percent of the women were capable of performing the tasks. All but one of the females were civilian volunteers, and none had previously adopted a routine of strenuous physical activity. The women included lawyers, mothers, students, and bartenders. Several had recently had children and thought the training would put them back in shape. They were unaware that their performance might eventually be used to topple one of the last citadels of bias against women in both the military and society. The 24-week training study began in May 1995 with women spending 90 minutes a day, five days a week, building themselves up for endurance tests. They ran a two-mile wooded course wearing a 75-pound rucksack and performed squats holding a 100-pound barbell on their shoulders. Nationally certified trainers oversaw the conditioning.(Pisik 11)"

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    And sometimes it's not about physical strength, but bravery under fire:

    Woman Gains Silver Star -- And Removal From Combat

    "KHOST, Afghanistan -- Pfc. Monica Brown cracked open the door of her Humvee outside a remote village in eastern Afghanistan to the soft pop of bullets shot by Taliban fighters. But instead of taking cover, the 18-year-old medic grabbed her bag and ran through gunfire toward fellow soldiers in a crippled and burning vehicle.

    Vice President Cheney pinned Brown, of Lake Jackson, Tex., with a Silver Star in March for repeatedly risking her life on April 25, 2007, to shield and treat her wounded comrades, displaying bravery and grit. She is the second woman since World War II to receive the nation's third-highest combat medal..."

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Only the males in the Marine corp do pull ups,women do whats called a flex arm hang.

    Flexed-Arm Hang
    Marine Corps Physical Fitness Test Chart - Female
    Marine Corps Physical Fitness Test Chart - Males
    Pretty damn easy fitness requirements for the men. No reason many women couldn't meet those.

    Having been a infantry I would have to say no. I do not know about marine corp infantry but in the US army infantry you carry your weapon,your ruck sack, extra ammo,canteens, and depending on your position you may also carry a rocket launcher like a AT4 or FGM-148 Javelin,grenades,radio, medical equipment(some infantry soldiers take a combat lifesaver course)


    Weapon (6-28 plus pounds, not counting the extra ammo)
    rusksack( 88-101 pounds)
    I don't see what would make it impossible for a woman to carry that. Do you have any scientific proof that no woman could possibly carry 120 lbs? Because I know damn well I could carry it.

    The ability to shoot well is totally irrelevance if you can't carry your weapon,extra ammo and gear to where you need to shoot at.
    Well, it's a good thing that carrying the gear isn't an issue.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Pretty damn easy fitness requirements for the men. No reason many women couldn't meet those.
    If those fitness requirements are so easy then why are the standards lowered for women?


    I don't see what would make it impossible for a woman to carry that. Do you have any scientific proof that no woman could possibly carry 120 lbs? Because I know damn well I could carry it.


    Well, it's a good thing that carrying the gear isn't an issue.

    I am pretty sure there are some women out there who could carry those things for miles. However I do not think a whole Infantry unit should be rearranged or somehow changed just for the two or three women who can do those things. Nor should the military lower standards to accommodate those who can't make it.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If those fitness requirements are so easy then why are the standards lowered for women?
    Because the 'suits' are retarded.

    I am pretty sure there are some women out there who could carry those things for miles. However I do not think a whole Infantry unit should be rearranged or somehow changed just for the two or three women who can do those things. Nor should the military lower standards to accommodate those who can't make it.
    Nothing needs to be rearranged or changed. Standards do not need to be lowered. The double standard has only succeeded in forcing the men to bear a larger burden and weaken the women in the military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    Here is something interesting:

    "In 1995, Army researchers came up with a new study that concludes that, when a woman is correctly trained, she can be as tough as any man (Harman, 1995).

    The report by the US Army Research Institute of Environmental Medicine at Natick, MA was led by senior analyst Everett Harman. "You don't need testosterone to get strong," Harman concluded. Through a regimen of regular jogging, weight training, and other rigorous exercise, more that 75 percent of the 41 women studied were able to prepare themselves to successfully perform duties traditionally performed by males in the military. Before training, less than 25 percent of the women were capable of performing the tasks. All but one of the females were civilian volunteers, and none had previously adopted a routine of strenuous physical activity. The women included lawyers, mothers, students, and bartenders. Several had recently had children and thought the training would put them back in shape. They were unaware that their performance might eventually be used to topple one of the last citadels of bias against women in both the military and society. The 24-week training study began in May 1995 with women spending 90 minutes a day, five days a week, building themselves up for endurance tests. They ran a two-mile wooded course wearing a 75-pound rucksack and performed squats holding a 100-pound barbell on their shoulders. Nationally certified trainers oversaw the conditioning.(Pisik 11)"

    Women in Combat, An Affirmative Case - The Atlas Society Forums
    To bad basic training is only 8 weeks, not 24.

    So to get to a minimum basic Army level it takes a female 24 weeks and a man 8.

    So in the same time it takes to ready 1 female for combat, we can train 3 males.

    We also don't use "Nationally certified trainers" in the Army.

    Weight training is also not a part of basic military training for any service.

    Good info.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    And sometimes it's not about physical strength, but bravery under fire:

    Woman Gains Silver Star -- And Removal From Combat

    "KHOST, Afghanistan -- Pfc. Monica Brown cracked open the door of her Humvee outside a remote village in eastern Afghanistan to the soft pop of bullets shot by Taliban fighters. But instead of taking cover, the 18-year-old medic grabbed her bag and ran through gunfire toward fellow soldiers in a crippled and burning vehicle.

    Vice President Cheney pinned Brown, of Lake Jackson, Tex., with a Silver Star in March for repeatedly risking her life on April 25, 2007, to shield and treat her wounded comrades, displaying bravery and grit. She is the second woman since World War II to receive the nation's third-highest combat medal..."
    Irrelevant to the discussion. If it was just about bravery allot of good men were washed out as well.

    No one is questioning a persons bravery or commitment, it is simply about the physical disparity that exists naturally between women and men. Which you pointed out quite beautifully nonetheless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    How many times do I have to repeat that the mission has changed since the 70's.

    It is not the same. It has changed a ****load from when I was in, in the 80's and early 90's.

    No cushy job anymore. You rotate just like everyone else.

    Every combat solder from medic to the lowest clerk is a combat solder.
    We did the same back then too. It just so happens that I was never assigned to a field hospital. Some of my friends were. One thing is for sure, none of us would've been assigned as combat medics to accompany troops into battle. That would've required training in another MOS. That would hold true for today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    We did the same back then too. It just so happens that I was never assigned to a field hospital. Some of my friends were. One thing is for sure, none of us would've been assigned as combat medics to accompany troops into battle. That would've required training in another MOS. That would hold true for today.
    No it does not hold true today. It did not hold true when I was in, let alone over 20 years later.
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