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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Either way, you can force a female service member to use birth control.
    Got anything to back that up?
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    There is no evidence. The only evidence he has is of discrimination in the military. He has evidence that the standards were lowered (big shocker that none of us dispute that standards were lowered). He has absolutely no evidence contrary to what the rest of us have actually been talking about.
    Then please point out the evidence to the contrary? I have also pointed out the same thing in the civilian sector, so that makes your comment a fabrication at best.

    I know you can't and will not since no one else has, but I am giving yet another opportunity.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Depends on what you mean by field. Working in a field hospital would've been quite easy; but working as a combat medic would've required some serious physical re-training and at least 4 months training to change MOS's.

    When I was in Korea, I was assigned to 8th Army and we never did PT, never ran, and never went to the field. The same couldn't be said for medics assigned to the 2nd Inf Div. Those guys did PT every day, ran 2 miles every day and were frequently in the field.
    How many times do I have to repeat that the mission has changed since the 70's.

    It is not the same. It has changed a ****load from when I was in, in the 80's and early 90's.

    No cushy job anymore. You rotate just like everyone else.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    What the problems WILL be? You mean being a vet makes you psychic?
    No. What it does do is give us insite you will never have.

    It would be like me trying to tell you the reason white water rafting is not dangerous even though I have never done it.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Since people want to ignore the actual argument put forward, here it is again for your consideration...

    Fact: In every case military & civilian, every single one the standards (physical) have been reduced for females.

    Fact: Multiple people have been asked to show just one example of where this did not happen. The best they could do was a few ad-hom's.

    Fact: The standard for females are to low for any combat arms MOS. Any man who cannot make the minimum is washed out. Females standards are even lower.

    Fact: Women are physically on average weaker than men, not by a little either. If it were not a fact, women could play in the same sports as men. They don't compete against men for a reason.


    Those are the facts.

    Anyone ready to address them yet? With a little evidence?
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What I would like to see proven is that the woman's standards are in adequate to perform a successful job in combat situations. A woman only doing 10 pulls vs a mans 20 doesn't equate to job performance.
    Only the males in the Marine corp do pull ups,women do whats called a flex arm hang.

    Flexed-Arm Hang
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    Are women unable to carry the average infantry equipment?
    Having been a infantry I would have to say no. I do not know about marine corp infantry but in the US army infantry you carry your weapon,your ruck sack, extra ammo,canteens, and depending on your position you may also carry a rocket launcher like a AT4 or FGM-148 Javelin,grenades,radio, medical equipment(some infantry soldiers take a combat lifesaver course)


    Weapon (6-28 plus pounds, not counting the extra ammo)
    rusksack( 88-101 pounds)

    Are women unable to shoot as accurately as men?
    The ability to shoot well is totally irrelevance if you can't carry your weapon,extra ammo and gear to where you need to shoot at.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Personel who don't want to kill the enemy, because of their religious convictions are still allowed to serve as contientious objectors, too. So that argument is a big fail.
    The contention of the argument was not conscientious objection but a incompatibility of religious orientation with military service. The core of the argument stands.

    If a soldier can't be ordered to kill the enemy on the battlefield, because of religious beliefs, then a soldier can't be ordered to take birth control, because of religious beliefs.
    Weak analogy.

    I'm not aware of any birth control drug that isn't controlled through prescription.
    So, you used to need a prescription for claritin, another weak analogy.

    You must be totally unaware of LSD experimentation on soldiers during the 50's and 60's.
    I was aware of the CIA sequestering african americans and smacking them up on LSD for weeks at a time but I haven't heard of drug experimentation in the Army. I assumed it had probably happened Are you in fear that an application may be found for a psychoactive drug to be used in combat? If it has been found why shouldn't it be used? Because it makes you squeamish?

    Perhaps you should tone down the, "you don't know what the **** you're talking about", routine, then.
    I'm sorry you feel that way.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    I've changed my mind. Put women on subs. Every sailor gets one, how about that?
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I've changed my mind. Put women on subs. Every sailor gets one, how about that?
    Nothing like talking about women to make some men turn into adolescent boys.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Nothing like talking about women to make some men turn into adolescent boys.
    You'll have your chance, once you become a man. Keep your chin up.
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