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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Like female firefighters have to be strong? of course !
    This is common sense.
    The commanders of the subs must set policy; no-one else..particularly politicians... need apply.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh my! Are you suggesting that our military is actually breeding rapists? Gotta admit. That's a first.
    Well not breeding exactly. They seem to be lacking training to help resolve this issue.

    My point is soldiers staying in close quarters for long periods of time should be specifically trained in the ability to mentally and physical restrain their sexual desires & "cabin fever" aggression.

    It's hard work but as a well disciplined solider it should be required. We should NOT design our Military around the acceptance of soldiers committing criminal acts against other soldiers.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Well not breeding exactly. They seem to be lacking training to help resolve this issue.

    My point is soldiers staying in close quarters for long periods of time should be specifically trained in the ability to mentally and physical restrain their sexual desires & "cabin fever" aggression.
    That's why the submarine service is all volunteer and candidates are selected based on certain personality traits.

    It's hard work but as a well disciplined solider it should be required. We should NOT design our Military around the acceptance of soldiers committing criminal acts against other soldiers.

    We can't, nor should we, make them into robots. Nor, do I think our military is designed around the acceptance of people who have a propencity to commit crimes against other soldiers. We're dealing with humans; it's going to happen; no way around it. If it were an impossibility, the UCMJ wouldn't exist. This is the military. It's mission is to protect the country, not serve a PR apparatus.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Mandatory birth control. Mandatory pregnancy tests prior to deployment. Problem solved.
    Yeah, that'll last about 5 minutes.... The military can't force a female to take birth control.

    It's amazing how some folks are prepared to throw soldiers's rights completely out the window to get their way.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, that'll last about 5 minutes.... The military can't force a female to take birth control...
    I dont know if they can or can't but why shouldn't they?

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, that'll last about 5 minutes.... The military can't force a female to take birth control.

    It's amazing how some folks are prepared to throw soldiers's rights completely out the window to get their way.
    What rights are being thrown away? There's no forcing. Merely acceptance of the requirements of their chosen VOLUNTARY service. Military service is VOLUNTARY. What branch you enter into is your CHOICE. Serving on a sub is VOLUNTARY. Serving on a sub requires that those serving on it follow certain guildlines, rules, and accept certain situations. One of those should be birth control and medical exams prior to deployment.

    Next you're going to say it's a violation of their rights that they won't be allowed to see the sun for months.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I dont know if they can or can't but why shouldn't they?
    Because if they can order a female to take birth control, they can order everyother soldier to take anything else they may deem fit, even experimental drugs, or mind altering drugs. Do you really want that environment to exist in our military?

    What's going to happen when a female soldier refuses to take birth control for religious reasons? Do you support taking away our service members's freedom of religion, too?

    See how out of control this can become? And for what? So a few Liberal do-gooders can feel better about themselves? Hardly seems worth it, to me.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because if they can order a female to take birth control, they can order everyother soldier to take anything else they may deem fit, even experimental drugs, or mind altering drugs. Do you really want that environment to exist in our military?
    Thats an absurd slippery slope argument that makes no sense, the issuance of birth control for the purpose of preventing accidental pregnancy has nothing to do with the army wishing to force people to take mind altering or experimental drugs. The army forcing mind altering drugs on people? Where do you get this?

    What's going to happen when a female soldier refuses to take birth control for religious reasons? Do you support taking away our service members's freedom of religion, too?
    What does birth control in the military have to do with religion? It is disliked by the religious because it is seen as a free ticket towards sinful sexual activity. There is no sexual activity allowed in the first place. Another absurd argument.

    See how out of control this can become? And for what? So a few Liberal do-gooders can feel better about themselves? Hardly seems worth it, to me.
    I'm sure allowing women to serve will lead to an experimental mind altering drug regime and the end of religious rights in the army...

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because if they can order a female to take birth control, they can order everyother soldier to take anything else they may deem fit, even experimental drugs, or mind altering drugs. Do you really want that environment to exist in our military?
    If those drugs are beneficial and /or necessary for the success of a voluntary mission, yes.

    What's going to happen when a female soldier refuses to take birth control for religious reasons? Do you support taking away our service members's freedom of religion, too?
    No, merely their ability to work on a sub.

    See how out of control this can become? And for what? So a few Liberal do-gooders can feel better about themselves? Hardly seems worth it, to me.
    Nothing out of control at all. Don't want to use birth control? Don't want to be underwater for months? Don't want to be in cramped quarters? Don't want to share sleeping areas? Don't want to do the job? Don't volunteer to work on a sub. Pretty simple. Nothing out of control whatsoever.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Thats an absurd slippery slope argument that makes no sense, the issuance of birth control for the purpose of preventing accidental pregnancy has nothing to do with the army wishing to force people to take mind altering or experimental drugs. The army forcing mind altering drugs on people? Where do you get this?
    It sets a precedence for forcing other soldiers to take drugs. Currently, soldiers have the right to refuse, as they should.



    What does birth control in the military have to do with religion? It is disliked by the religious because it is seen as a free ticket towards sinful sexual activity. There is no sexual activity allowed in the first place. Another absurd argument.
    If a female soldier, because of her religious beliefs, doesn't want to take virth control, then that is her right. To deny her that right, is to deny her her right to religious freedom.

    There is no sexual activity allowed in the first place.
    I would love for you to show the regulation that prohibits sex. Thanks in advance.


    I'm sure allowing women to serve will lead to an experimental mind altering drug regime and the end of religious rights in the army...
    Forcing a female to do something that is contrary to her religious beliefs is denying her religious freedom. It would be the same as forcing a Muslims soldier to eat pork, because that's what's for supper and it's either that, or go hungry.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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