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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    I think it's about time that women are allowed to serve with their fellow mates! There has to be much red tape involved but this is another step towards the liberties that should be afforded to women.

    If my step dad hears this story, which I am sure he has, he will complain why they didn't do this 30 yrs ago...lol.
    We may not agree on everything but I bet we could find some common ground.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    The only thing that comes to mind with letting women serve on subs is that someone is going to say hey look that Petty Officer has seamen all over her. Or someone is going to say choo choo(train sound) when a chick walks by(because everybody ran train on her the night before)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I just do not believe you were in the army with a comment like that. You could not have been. I think you are a youngster trying to act like an old man.

    If you were, you would know medics most certainly are considered combatants in the Field. When required to they fight like everyone else.

    All of this is basic knowledge. You are trying to make an argument that is nothing more than a fallacy.

    Are you going to bring up Chaplin's next?
    You're kidding, right? Medics are non-combatants.

    I spent 7 years in the Army as a medic. We were taught that we were non-combatants. If we were captured, we were NOT POW's, but considered retained personnel. We could be armed with an M16, but could only use it to defend ourselves and our patients. If we used it offensively, we would lose our non-combatant status and if captured, we'd be considered POW's. Additionally, we could also be subject to trial for war crimes.

    If you disagree with this, then back it up with a link from the Defense Department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    You're kidding, right? Medics are non-combatants.

    I spent 7 years in the Army as a medic. We were taught that we were non-combatants. If we were captured, we were NOT POW's, but considered retained personnel. We could be armed with an M16, but could only use it to defend ourselves and our patients. If we used it offensively, we would lose our non-combatant status and if captured, we'd be considered POW's. Additionally, we could also be subject to trial for war crimes.

    If you disagree with this, then back it up with a link from the Defense Department.
    I don't have to back it up. That was then, this is now. Combat medics are armed and no longer wear the distinguishing cross because of the modern day battle field. Insurgents not being part of the Geneva convention do not recognize them a non combatants. Sort of defeats the purpose of us calling them non combatants huh.

    Since our medics have to move with the troops and preform in the same conditions, it is important that they also be physically as prepared as the troops they are with.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Please point out where I said this? It is news to me.



    Please Kali, I have been in the Tavern more than one time. I know enough to know you are no match for me.



    Based on the fact that females are physically weaker than males. You can deny nature and science all you want, but it will not float

    Here don't take my word for it....

    "Which is the weaker sex? It's a long-running argument - men point to women's weaker physical strength, while women are likely to mutter about 'man' flu. But who is better built to withstand disease? LOWRI TURNER asked a panel of medical experts to settle the matter once and for all ....

    Overall, when you add up the number of individuals affected by all these conditions, women are the weaker sex.
    " - Are women really the weaker sex? The intriguing medical facts that settle the oldest argument of all | Mail Online

    "After looking at all the different data and accounts I have studied on this topic, I have come to a sad conclusion for women ultra runners today. I feel that women will never be able to be competitive with a man on an elite level. The evidence in Dr. Daniels study and by Andy Milroy leads me to believe that due to biological differences, women's bodies do not function in the same way as a mans and are held back in ways that men are not. This was not the outcome that I had planned for my paper. My original idea was that I would prove that women could be competitive with men and on some levels, they can. My beliefs matched the quote at the beginning of this paper explicitly but in reality I have decided that the strength of the woman's mind cannot overcome the differences in body composition. Although I agree that men are faster at ultrarunning than women, I do not share this view in other venues of life. My ideas on the subject best match those of Joan Benoit when she says, "I want to emphasize that the differences between men and women stem from their separate strengths. Let's remember, our bodies have many functions, and running is just one of many uplifting experiences of our physical existence." (Samuelson 15)" - Weaker Sex?

    "Here is some news for all the feminists. Latest research have finally proved that women are weaker than men physically. For their study, the researchers observed activity levels in school children and adults over 70 years of age discovered that males are more active. - Physical Fitness | Man Vs Woman | Health Care | Good Health

    Would you like to ignore all that as well?



    Ad-hom. nice.
    Dear BlackDog, you lost me with your "been in the Tavern more than one time" thing.. I do NOT really hang out in the Tavern so your comment is lame and I will not read the rest of your drivel! When you can be HONEST? GET BACK TO ME!
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    My father in law was an officer on Yugoslavian Subs, he likes the idear.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Dear BlackDog, you lost me with your "been in the Tavern more than one time" thing.. I do NOT really hang out in the Tavern so your comment is lame and I will not read the rest of your drivel! When you can be HONEST? GET BACK TO ME!
    In other words, you got nothing.

    Duly noted!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    First the conversation in parts of this thread argues women can't physically hack it--which isn't true is many cases, but now it's about if the **** hits the fan?
    Well, sure. Moving the goalposts is the standard retreat tactic when your opponent's inferior arguments are being destroyed in a firefight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Well, sure. Moving the goalposts is the standard retreat tactic when your opponent's inferior arguments are being destroyed in a firefight.

    This has nothing to do with firefights or whether or not a few women can hack it, a few can.

    It is people trying to use unrealistic goals that completely goes against the scientific evidence posted and the real world evidence also posted.

    No one has moved the goal posts, but when a fallacy argument is offered based on examples used for the argument rather than the argument itself, what do you expect?

    Fact: In every case, every single one the standards have been reduced for females.

    Fact: Multiple people have been asked to show just one example of where this did not happen. The best they could do was a few ad-hom's.

    Fact: The standard for females are to low for combat arms in ground combat.

    Fact: Women are physically on average weaker than men, not by a little either. If it were not women could play in the same sports as men, they don't compete against men for a reason.

    So you can ignore the FACTS and it will get you no place because of the overwhelming evidence.

    Now bring a real argument and evidence and leave the fallacy arguments at home.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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