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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Engaging in combat is what combat units do...
    WTF? Are you inferring no women have been killed in combat (or participated in combat) in Iraq and Afghanistan

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't have issues with women since I came to grips with the fact that they're all crazy. It's all good.
    Yeah, every female on the planet is crazy. It's not you.

    Look, if you have woman troubles, there are lots of cheap books you can buy from ads in the back of comic books that can help you get over your shyness and talk them into believing you're not a loser. It probably won't work, but you can try. It's too late to try it on Rivrat though.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    First the conversation in parts of this thread argues women can't physically hack it--which isn't true is many cases, but now it's about if the **** hits the fan? There are real combat operations going in right now that women in all branches of service are involved in (as I showed a few examples of), so what is it exactly they are not capable of doing?
    No, this is about females being in certain units of the military.

    My argument has nothing to do with certain women being able to do some of the jobs. They can and do. My argument is that invariably to get more women into a combat MOS, the standards will be reduced as they have been EVERY TIME before without exception for the women only.

    This reduced standard (as I have shown multiple times in other posts already) will lead to reduced effectiveness of our combat units. You can not have a weak link in a fire team or any other team.

    If they could meet the same standards as the men do, then by all means let them do the job. If they can't they need to be washed out just like the guys. The problem is feminists etc will scream discrimination AND AS IN EVERY CASE I HAVE ALREADY POSTED the standards for them will be reduced, period. It is the reality of the situation.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    WTF? Are you inferring no women have been killed in combat (or participated in combat) in Iraq and Afghanistan
    How did you get that out of what he said? He did not imply any such nonsense.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yeah, every female on the planet is crazy. It's not you.

    Look, if you have woman troubles, there are lots of cheap books you can buy from ads in the back of comic books that can help you get over your shyness and talk them into believing you're not a loser. It probably won't work, but you can try. It's too late to try it on Rivrat though.
    So, IOW, we're talking about a subject which you have zero experience with. So, to compensate for that lack of experience and an acute inability to form a logical argument, it must be a flaw on my part.

    Vets, who have served in combat units are telling you one thing, but that can't be right, because that doesn't match your view of the world. Therefore, we are ****ed up wimmin haters.

    Am I getting this right?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    WTF? Are you inferring no women have been killed in combat (or participated in combat) in Iraq and Afghanistan
    Yeah, wtf?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, IOW, we're talking about a subject which you have zero experience with. So, to compensate for that lack of experience and an acute inability to form a logical argument, it must be a flaw on my part.

    Vets, who have served in combat units are telling you one thing, but that can't be right, because that doesn't match your view of the world. Therefore, we are ****ed up wimmin haters.

    Am I getting this right?
    Pretty much.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Pretty much.
    Yep..........

    That's why I don't like Librulz. bascially, they believe they're smarter than the rest of us and we should just all shut the **** up and do what they tell us too and **** what we have to say about it, because we must be afflicted with some sorta phobia, or 'ism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yep..........

    That's why I don't like Librulz. bascially, they believe they're smarter than the rest of us and we should just all shut the **** up and do what they tell us too and **** what we have to say about it, because we must be afflicted with some sorta phobia, or 'ism.
    Well I have seen conservatives do exactly the same thing. In this case I don't know if he is a liberal or not, irrelevant anyway as he has no clue what he is talking about.

    I am a conservative, but I have far to many intelligent liberal friends including my wife to generalize like that.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No, this is about females being in certain units of the military.

    My argument has nothing to do with certain women being able to do some of the jobs. They can and do. My argument is that invariably to get more women into a combat MOS, the standards will be reduced as they have been EVERY TIME before without exception for the women only.

    This reduced standard (as I have shown multiple times in other posts already) will lead to reduced effectiveness of our combat units. You can not have a weak link in a fire team or any other team.

    If they could meet the same standards as the men do, then by all means let them do the job. If they can't they need to be washed out just like the guys. The problem is feminists etc will scream discrimination AND AS IN EVERY CASE I HAVE ALREADY POSTED the standards for them will be reduced, period. It is the reality of the situation.
    I actually agree with you totally about reduced standards can lead to reduced effectiveness in a combat unit. However, in my opinion, I just think with training and proper physical conditioning, there are plenty of women that can handle "combat" roles.

    Also, there are plenty of women currently in harm's way and they are engaging the enemy and/or getting killed or injured in attacks along with their fellow male soldiers, because the "frontlines" are all over the place at times.

    Here is an interesting article on this subject:
    Roles in Question for Females in Warfare - ABC News

    "...But right now there are 10,000 women serving in Iraq, more than 4,000 in Aghanistan. They have been fighting and dying next to their male comrades since the wars began.

    "We're here, and we're right up with the guys," says Specialist Ashley Pullen, who was awarded a Bronze Star for valor in 2005 for her heroic action in Iraq where she served with a military police unit.

    Technically they're restricted from certain combat roles. The Department of Defense prohibits women from serving in assignments "whose primary mission is to engage in direct combat on the ground."

    Nevertheless, women serving in support positions on and off the frontlines, where war is waged on street corners and in markets, are often at equal risk. There have been 103 women who have been killed in Iraq and 15 others in Afghanistan.

    What women can or cannot do in combat is not always clear in today's wars, and many say that the Department of Defense and Congress should reevaluate women's roles in modern warfare.

    As female aviators, military police officers, and civil affairs officers, about 80 percent of the positions in the Department of Defense and 70 percent in the Army are available to women, according to a RAND study. Women make up about 11 percent of the forces deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan..."

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