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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    ...or because your answer would be a misogynistic one.
    I see nothing misogynist in the statement that the US Army does not have the facilities to train people for submarine duty.

    Can anyone else point out the misogynist part in that statement?

    iangb doesn't seen to be reading it carefully enough.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    But they are not all the same and you must know that................What do you do with the 100 lb woman that wants to serve on a sub>?????? dicriminate against them??????
    Ya the same why you discriminate, you spelled it wrong, against the 100 pound man. Or the man who can't do the job, or the woman who can't do the job.

    NEWSFLASH: The military discriminates people on the grounds of physical fitness, maybe this is news to you but its going on for a while now Im pretty sure. Arguing that we suddenly cannot do it or that allow women on subs will change that policy, is just making up issues that don't exist.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I see nothing misogynist in the statement that the US Army does not have the facilities to train people for submarine duty.

    Can anyone else point out the misogynist part in that statement?

    iangb doesn't seen to be reading it carefully enough.


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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride
    But they are not all the same and you must know that................What do you do with the 100 lb woman that wants to serve on a sub>?????? dicriminate against them??????
    What do you do with the 100 lb men who want to serve on a sub?

    Not allowing someone to do something on the grounds that they would be rubbish is not unfair discrimination. Preventing someone who would do a good job on the grounds that they are the wrong gender is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow
    I see nothing misogynist in the statement that the US Army does not have the facilities to train people for submarine duty.

    Can anyone else point out the misogynist part in that statement?

    iangb doesn't seen to be reading it carefully enough.
    You didn't say 'people', you said 'women'. Big difference.

    Mind you, it's true that an equally big difference is saying 'army' not 'navy' . Consider the question repeated with that ammendum.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Subs have P250 and P500 submersible pumps on them......they weigh about 150 lbs each.......A lot of guys can't carry them.......The only women who can would be amazons.....
    No, they wouldn't need to be amazons. They would simply need to be strong enough, just like a man would be. Essentially, it's like this: They should only have PEOPLE on the sub physically capable of performing the necessary tasks. Gender is irrelevant.

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    I've got 50 rounds of 155 MM HE that I need you to move from the ammo carrier to the Gun.

    Hope you are a strong girl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    My wife told me abotu the "alpha female" syndrome, where a strong female leader in a group can have an effect on other females in the group. I.E. they all PMS on HER scheduale. Now I have no clue if this is actually true, but do you REALLY want to chance a submarine where 5 days a month the women are in total bitch mode?
    Easy fix with birth control

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    There are a lot of situations aboard a sub that takes physical strength....Most women don't have it...
    Many men don't either. Your point is?

    Oh wait... your point is that maybe the PEOPLE on the sub should be physically capable of performing the necessary tasks? I agree. What does this have to do with gender, though?


    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    How much help is the lady Machinist's Mate going to need to do her job as the ships Air Conditioning technician?
    No more than any man who is equipped to do it. Just have to hire a PERSON physically capable of performing the task.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    But people don't get that. It has become wrong to say that a women are not as strong as men. And that women can do the same as a man, they can't and that is considered offensive. Sometimes its the best thing to let men take care of thing like working in a sub. Gosh it boggles my mind
    Not all women are as strong as some men. Not all men are as strong as some men. Not all women are as weak as other women. blah blah blah

    Some women CAN do the same as SOME men do. The only offensive thing in your statements is the sheer ignorance about the capabilities of the female form.


    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No.

    It's a submarine. When they're run by men, bad things don't happen. Letting boys and women get involved, and bad things will.

    Yes, women don't have the structure to man-handle TDU weights.

    That's why it's called "man"-handle.

    The Left persists in this myth that there's nothing a man can do that a woman can't. Well, I'm sure the Left hasn't noticed, but men and women are different.
    Yes, men and women are different! SHOCKER!

    And, some women can physically perform at the same level as some men.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    But they are not all the same and you must know that................What do you do with the 100 lb woman that wants to serve on a sub>?????? dicriminate against them??????
    Umm.. yes. Would you let a 100 lb man on board who couldn't do the job? Why would you let a woman onboard who couldn't do the job? That would just be retarded.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Women on a submarine worked for Tony Curtis.



    For example . . .
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    [Trivia Fact: Tony's daughter Jamie appeared in the TV version of Operation Petticoat.]
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Right cause no one is ever in the radio or sonar rooms. And where's the rest of the crew when you made this list?
    Let's see.....0215 Engine Room Lower Level. This watch station is huge, encompassing the SSTG LO Bay, the Condensate Bay, the PLO Bay, the MSW Bay, the ASW Bay, and all of Engine Room Middle Level Aft, almost half the engine room.

    The hourly logs have been taken....that takes three minutes. The #2 LOP was shut down, cleaned, and put to work on the Starboard SSTG LO Sump. The PLO Strainer got it's daily cleaning at 0030, the Port SSTG LO Strainer was cleaned at 0120, the Starboard SSTG LO Strainer was cleaned at 0140. It took 30 seconds to shift from #1 and #2 Condensate Pumps to #3 and #4, which was done at 0010. It took five minutes to shift from #1 and #2 R114 AC units to #3 and #4, which was done at 0024. The ship is currently cruining at PD off the coast of China on routine patrol, no manuvers are expected this midwatch.

    There is NOTHING left to do for the next four hours but take those hourly logs. Fifty seven minutes of each of the next four hours will be spent trying to find something interesting to do, and failing. This is when the ERLL watch pulls his spinal tap syringe from his pocket (the ELT's use them for boiler water oxygen sampling) and he climbs up to be under the Main Engine aft journal bearing, because he knows the Engine Room Upper Level watch has to put his face right THERE to read that thermometer. So you squirt him. He'll try to squirt you when you're reading the ERFW pump outlet thermometer.

    It's not only distinctly possible to see the Engine Room Supervisor, the Engineering Watch Supervisor, and the Auxiliary Electrician Aft before they see you, but fairly easy to move around the watch station to hide from them, a game most ERLL watches play. But this time, when the Engine Room Supervisor comes down, the Lower Level watch and he get together. The EWS is supervising the Engineering Laboratory Techician's reactor sample, and that pins the EOOW in the Manuvering Room for nearly half an hour. The AE aft is cool, he has a thing with the cook that he doesn't want to mess up. So there's no problem sneaking back behind the condensers for a little fun.

    THAT's how it will work on a submarine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Is this sub you're talking about in a museum or something? And since when do most crewmen have their own bunks? And I know for a fact many torpedo crews sleep in the torpedo room because its one of the most spacious areas of the boat.
    Glad to see a non-qual has some "facts".

    I got my dolphins a long time ago, I don't need someone who hasn't lived the life to tell me "facts".
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, they wouldn't need to be amazons. They would simply need to be strong enough, just like a man would be. Essentially, it's like this: They should only have PEOPLE on the sub physically capable of performing the necessary tasks. Gender is irrelevant.


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    Easy fix with birth control


    Many men don't either. Your point is?

    Oh wait... your point is that maybe the PEOPLE on the sub should be physically capable of performing the necessary tasks? I agree. What does this have to do with gender, though?



    No more than any man who is equipped to do it. Just have to hire a PERSON physically capable of performing the task.


    Not all women are as strong as some men. Not all men are as strong as some men. Not all women are as weak as other women. blah blah blah

    Some women CAN do the same as SOME men do. The only offensive thing in your statements is the sheer ignorance about the capabilities of the female form.



    Yes, men and women are different! SHOCKER!

    And, some women can physically perform at the same level as some men.


    Umm.. yes. Would you let a 100 lb man on board who couldn't do the job? Why would you let a woman onboard who couldn't do the job? That would just be retarded.
    1. and if you had and all female sub? There are very few women who could lift one of those pumps....

    You crack me up......Before you get all defensive......It does not make a rats ass whether women serve on subs or not.............I am just telling you from what I know about it though my experience it would be hard as hell to accomplish....Now go take your attitude to your room........
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    You didn't say 'people', you said 'women'. Big difference.
    So, you think the most important word I used was people when I say the US Army doesn't have the facilities to train people for submarine duty?

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    Mind you, it's true that an equally big difference is saying 'army' not 'navy' . Consider the question repeated with that ammendum.
    Yes, the Army does not have the facilities to train people for submarine duty.

    Glad to see you figured that out.

    Now, if your understanding of submarines is so shallow (Dolphin-wearing pun intended) that you missed that error, you should stop expressing your uninformed opinions on this matter and listen politely.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    What do you do with the 100 lb men who want to serve on a sub?
    Not allowing someone to do something on the grounds that they would be rubbish is not unfair discrimination. Preventing someone who would do a good job on the grounds that they are the wrong gender is.


    You didn't say 'people', you said 'women'. Big difference.

    Mind you, it's true that an equally big difference is saying 'army' not 'navy' . Consider the question repeated with that ammendum.


    I think 100 pound men are the exception rather then the rule in fact not sure I ever saw any 100 pound man aboard a surface ship......-The Navy has regulations on weight and height for both men and women and besides 100 pound men have a different muscle break down then 100 pound women.......

    Here is a flash maybe you did not know, men are generally stronger then women......
    Last edited by Navy Pride; 02-23-10 at 09:04 PM.
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