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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    In the perfect world it wouldn't and shouldn't matter. I have no opinion to offer on the ideology of whether women should or should not serve on a sub. You guys hammer that out. Lemme know what you come up with.

    I will just speak of what I DO know, first hand, face-to-face, in da mix, experience of having served on several Naval stations amongst men and women sailors.

    There is soooo much drama. So many games. There are so many "situations". Distractions up the wazoo. Can't be avoided, I suppose. (It sure beats having to spend the weekend with a buncha guys though.)

    If I was to have to work in a 24/7, do or die, environment, such as a sub, as much as I would love the ladies, the distractions I have witnessed could, and most likely would, cost lives and material.

    Chicks and dicks on a sub? NOT a good idea. Just sayin'.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Oh, yeah?

    On the Los Angeles Class:

    Engine Room Lower Level, outboard each Main Condenser. No one goes back there for hours.

    Engine Room Lower Level SSTG Lube Oil Bay Mezzanine. Quite Secluded.

    Engine Room Aft, just forward of the ERFW pumps, cozy. Better yet, there are two access ports to the Main Engine support structure that's just great for a nap or snuggle.

    Engine Room Aft, outboard the #3 and #4 R114 AC units. Good for a quicky.

    Engine Room Upper Level. Nucleonics Lab. Has a door that locks.

    Engine Room Upper Level. Behind the Nucleonics Labs, around the 10k Evaporator. Some quiet places, wink wink.

    Engine Room Upper Level, Charging Water Storage Tank Mezzine. Nice and warm up by MS1 and MS2, and the humidity will excuse the sweaty appearance.

    Engine Room Upper Level, outboard the main electrical switch gear.

    Engine Room Middle Level Forward, Outboard the #2 SSTG.

    Forward Compartment spaces.

    Each officer has a bunk. The captain and the XO have their own staterooms.

    The Fan Room deck is covered with neatly flaked out mooring lines. A padded floor, and noisy enough to cover the orgasmic moans.

    Most crew have their own bunk.

    The food storage room at the bottom of the Forward Escape Trunk.

    The supply shack.

    The torpedo room is usually quiet.

    The Auxilliary Machinery Room is ideal for women who get off on CO2 Scrubbers and electrolysis machines, and especially women who like getting banged standing against a Faribanks-Morse Diesel.

    The Battery Compartment for the enterprising electrician.

    The radio room.

    The Sonar Room.

    There's LOTS of places to play hide the submarine on a submarine.
    I don't thank Scarecrow often, but every so often he says something really great, and this is just such a post. Accurate and amusing in one nice package.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    I refuse to answer this question because it's just too god damned funny.
    ...or because your answer would be a misogynistic one.

    What if the moon was made out of cheddar cheese, would that cause an economic crash in Wisconsin?
    If your analogy is an accurate one (read: no woman would qualify anyway), why are you objecting so vehemently to the idea of allowing them to apply in the first place?

    You also didn't answer my question.

    The reason is they don't fit. A submarine isn't a hunk of steel, it's a community of peers. Women don't belong in the military at the combat level, and a submarine is a combat warship.
    Now this has verged into misogyny. Again - on what basis do you make this blanket generalisation?
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Right cause no one is ever in the radio or sonar rooms. And where's the rest of the crew when you made this list? Is this sub you're talking about in a museum or something? And since when do most crewmen have their own bunks? And I know for a fact many torpedo crews sleep in the torpedo room because its one of the most spacious areas of the boat.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have seen women Aviation Ordnancemen load 500 pound bombs, 3 women, one on each end with a length of pipe screwed in, 1 in the middle guiding it.
    When you are at General Quarters and your GQ station is to man a P250 or P500 pump on a damage control team you have to carry it down into a compartment to fight a fire there is no one to help you..its your job.....I know because my first GQ station was to man a P250 pump on the destroyer I was on.......

    Big difference Redress......

    Another problem as someone mentioned would be handling gas bottles...I don't know how many they have on a sub but on a destroyer they have a store room full and they all have to be loaded and stowed manually and those babies are heavy as hell....Not easy work for a big strong man let alone a 100 pound woman when the bottles weigh twice as much as she does.........
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    I know I had no problem finding a cubby hole, to get my freak on, when I was in the Navy. Ahhh, the memories.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post

    The reason is they don't fit. A submarine isn't a hunk of steel, it's a community of peers. Women don't belong in the military at the combat level, and a submarine is a combat warship.
    Women having been serving in combat in the US military for decades, in the Army some of my best peers are women, some of the best combat leaders are women. You know why? Because it doesn't matter. The IDF has been using women in combat forever, ask Tashah for crying out there. If we didn't allow women to serve in the combat roles they do now in the Army do you have any idea how severely understaffed we'd be?

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No.

    It's a submarine. When they're run by men, bad things don't happen. Letting boys and women get involved, and bad things will.



    Yes, women don't have the structure to man-handle TDU weights.

    That's why it's called "man"-handle.

    The Left persists in this myth that there's nothing a man can do that a woman can't. Well, I'm sure the Left hasn't noticed, but men and women are different.
    Damnit Scarecrow!

    You missed my point.

    The post I responded to described having to manhandle heavy objects down through vertical hatches, which in one anecdotal case presented by said post caused the crushing of a man's shoulder.

    THAT is why I proposed that improvements to the way cargo is loaded into subs should be made. And I am almost sure any sub crew member who has had to transfer stuff in that way would agree with me.

    As to structural issues, I was referring to the structure of the sub, and requirements laid down by physics for it to survive under high pressure.

    Those requirements may put limits on the possibilities for improvements such as I mentioned.

    Ignoring any issues of who gets to serve on a sub, improvements in crew safety, cargo loading, and the like can't be a bad thing.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    There is a difference, but it all it means is that more men are likely to qualify for the job. That isn't a reason to deny a well-qualified (mentally and physically) woman, though.

    On what grounds?

    If every one of them was physically fit enough (you can call them 'amazons' if you really like), and was competant in what they did, would you still object to them crewing a sub?

    I'm not suggesting we go out conscripting women. I'm suggesting that I see no reason why we should deny those who both want to do the job and would do the job well, purely because they were born with the wrong set of organs.

    But they are not all the same and you must know that................What do you do with the 100 lb woman that wants to serve on a sub>?????? dicriminate against them??????
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    What if the moon was made out of cheddar cheese, would that cause an economic crash in Wisconsin?
    Only if it were economical to transport it back from said moon.

    As of now, it isn't.
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