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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So every one should meet infantry standards, except those who should not meet infantry standards? Gotcha, well thought out position there.

    By the way, since this topic is about navy subs, isn't infantry standards kinda silly?
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So if they cannot pass equal physical standards, the main argument of most here falls flate.
    Since the purpose is to measure overall fitness, and the different standards result in equal levels of fitness(cuz there are differences between the sexes), then in point of fact, they are measuring to equal standards.

    Or do you propose we eliminate differences for age in the standards too? Should that 40 year old chief have to meet the same standard as the 18 year old? Are you seeing how illogical your position is yet?
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    "DoD noted that America's prior drafts were used to supply adequate numbers of Army ground combat troops. Because women are excluded by policy from front line combat positions, excluding them from the draft process remains justifiable in DoD's view."

    What happens during the next draft if it happnes? Since they will be loosing the safty net of non-combat. Do you want your sisters, wifes and duaghters to be drafted? All things being equal of course.
    If we reach a situation where the draft is necessary, things are going to be dire enough that yes, I want them to be drafted.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Since the purpose is to measure overall fitness, and the different standards result in equal levels of fitness(cuz there are differences between the sexes), then in point of fact, they are measuring to equal standards.
    That was then, this is now. It is also to get you ready for the stresses of combat aboard ship or ground.

    If a woman cannot pass the same physical standards as the men, they should not be in that MOS , period.

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    Or do you propose we eliminate differences for age in the standards too? Should that 40 year old chief have to meet the same standard as the 18 year old? Are you seeing how illogical your position is yet?
    My position is not, as age is not part of this. That is a completely different subject. This is about females being able to do the same job as a man where physical strength and endurance make a huge difference.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It does not make it fall flat at all. It quantifies it even more.

    It [lowering military standards] started with the introduction of females into the regular service.
    You are completely incorrect. Read the article I linked to once more - military standards for education, health, weight, morals, drugs, and criminal records were all lowered so more recruits could be sent to Iraq and Afghanistan to die. They were NOT lowered to encourage more women to enlist.

    Here's another article about lowering military standards for all recruits:

    Military Lowers Standards To Fill Ranks
    The Army Is Taking Chances On Recruits With Rap Sheets


    and another:

    Army tops recruit goal by lowering standards

    and another:

    Army relaxes its standards to fill ranks
    Critics say push to meet quotas may let unstable recruits join up


    and another:

    The Dumbing-Down of the U.S. Army

    So.... you all can drop the argument that the military will have to lower its standards to permit women to serve on submarines. Military recruitment standards were lowered years ago.


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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That was then, this is now. It is also to get you ready for the stresses of combat aboard ship or ground.

    If a woman cannot pass the same physical standards as the men, they should not be in that MOS , period.
    OK, apparently got to slow this down quite a bit for you. There are no different standards for different MOS's(called ratings in the navy, at least when I was in). The only exception to this is for Seals/UDT. There is a test given every one, every 6 months called a PFT, that is designed to measure overall fitness. The different standards based on age and gender result in roughly the same level of overall fitness. So, in point of fact, women do meet the same physical standards as men.

    My position is not, as age is not part of this. That is a completely different subject. This is about females being able to do the same job as a man where physical strength and endurance make a huge difference.
    Wait a minute, you cannot have it both ways. You want some people to have to meet your new arbitrary standards, but not others, based on who you are comfortable around.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oooohhhhhh, yeah.... I've lost alotta sleep, just so I could ****, in my lifetime.



    Why jack-off when you have a female two feet away that is just as horny as you are?



    We both know what the reality is, don't we?
    I know the reality is that I, like many, many others, certainly kept my hormones in check while on the ship, let alone on watch. You may know someone who slept with someone else on watch, but I don't. And I'm pretty sure it's a very rare occurrence when it's a lot easier to just wait until you're off watch, especially when it's a security watch. I think it would be an even rarer occurrence when such an act could put you're entire base/unit at risk.

    You are the one who suggested that it was hard enough to keep a watchstander awake, how could we expect to keep the watchstanders who are attracted to each other from going at it right there while on watch. I certainly worked with a lot more professional personnel than you if you actually believe that two personnel who attracted to each other and horny are more likely to sleep together than they are to fall asleep on watch when they haven't had enough sleep. Staying awake after not sleeping for 2 days is hard and requires a considerable effort to achieve. Having sex requires an absolute effort to perform. It is deliberate act, unless you want to claim that uniforms can accidentally fall off while on watch, and they just happened to get close enough for it to slip in? Big difference between falling asleep on watch and having sex on watch. Sleep is a necessity of each individual's survival. Sex, although even I would admit, is very important to most people, is not a necessity for an individual's survival, and is therefore completely controllable as to when it occurs and the situations in which it occurs and can be put off long enough to not be on watch.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    You are completely incorrect. Read the article I linked to once more - military standards for education, health, weight, morals, drugs, and criminal records were all lowered so more recruits could be sent to Iraq and Afghanistan to die. They were NOT lowered to encourage more women to enlist.

    Here's another article about lowering military standards for all recruits:

    Military Lowers Standards To Fill Ranks
    The Army Is Taking Chances On Recruits With Rap Sheets


    and another:

    Army tops recruit goal by lowering standards

    and another:

    Army relaxes its standards to fill ranks
    Critics say push to meet quotas may let unstable recruits join up


    and another:

    The Dumbing-Down of the U.S. Army

    So.... you all can drop the argument that the military will have to lower its standards to permit women to serve on submarines. Military recruitment standards were lowered years ago.

    This is absolutely correct, recently they were. They have been lowered for females since the induction of females into the military since post WWII.

    So again this has little bearing as even the lowered standards for men are HIGHER than the female standards.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is absolutely correct, recently they were. They have been lowered for females since the induction of females into the military since post WWII.

    So again this has little bearing as even the lowered standards for men are HIGHER than the female standards.
    Um, no.

    When the military began lowering recruitment standards for our current wars, for things such as education, health, weight, morals, drugs, and criminal records, they were lowered equally for men and for women.

    Female recruits did/do not have to meet a different educational standard than male recruits.

    Female recruits did/do not have to meet a different health standard than male recruits.

    Female recruits did/do not have to meet a different height-to-weight ratio standard than male recruits.

    Female recruits did/do not have to meet a different morals standard than male recruits.

    Female recruits did/do not have to meet a different drug-use standard than male recruits.

    Female recruits did/do not have to meet a different criminal-records standard than male recruits.

    The standards were lowered across the board for males and females alike.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post

    Female recruits did/do not have to meet a different height-to-weight ratio standard than male recruits.
    This is not 100 % accurate, at least based on my experience. The measurement in question is body fat, and women where allowed to have more body fat than men, but that is because women's bodies are different than men's and and the healthy level of body fat is different.
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