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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

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    Are you sure you worded that bold blue part right?
    Thanks I corrected it..........
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Obviously the military is not a democracy.

    But the people who dictate to it (to some extent) and OK it's budget ARE part of a democratic process.

    The Military must cater to them to get funded (to an extent).

    So THOSE people are most likely the ones you should be leveling blame at, if you don't like some military policy.


    You damn right they do but that has nothing to do with how the military operates............The Joint Chiefs run the military and answer to the SECDEF who answers to the prez.......The congress provide funding for all branches of gov. but are not in the military chain of command..........
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No amazons. Just a woman in shape. /shrug
    A woman in shape is probably worse of all......I can see someone like Angelina Jolie carrying a 200 lb back pack or a 50 mile hike with that pack on where you run 5 miles and then walk 5 miles alternating...........I beter be some 6 ft 180 lb amazon otherwise no way......

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You damn right they do but that has nothing to do with how the military operates............The Joint Chiefs run the military and answer to the SECDEF who answers to the prez.......The congress provide funding for all branches of gov. but are not in the military chain of command..........
    But it DOES have something to do with how the military operates.

    Not directly, as in chain of command, but indirectly, as in the relationship my third statement indicates:
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    The Military must cater to them to get funded (to an extent).
    I would add that other means to control how the military does things can be used, and have been in the past.

    The military leadership must take into account various factors.

    Public opinion of the military is one, although perhaps not a great one, and those factors may only be a minor part of the equation.

    But to say that NOTHING except the direct chain of command has an effect on military policy is to ignore human nature.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Lets get back on the subject of the thread which is women on subs.........thanks
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    A woman in shape is probably worse of all......I can see someone like Angelina Jolie carrying a 200 lb back pack or a 50 mile hike with that pack on where you run 5 miles and then walk 5 miles alternating...........I beter be some 6 ft 180 lb amazon otherwise no way......

    Why the **** am I responding to you............I already said byeeeeeeeeee ....
    200 lbs? Is that all?

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Doesn't everyone on board have specific responsibilities? If a woman is in a slot isn't it safe to assume she has proven to be competent in that job? If she needs to carry heavy weight she can either do the job or not, just like a man, right?

    Women are performing all kinds of duties in the military that people thought they couldn't do.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Lets get back on the subject of the thread which is women on subs.........thanks
    I say that females should be allowed in all areas of the military, no matter the job.

    Except situations where the very fact that they are female might endanger the mission, such as in a less socially advanced culture.

    I think all military standards for physical/mental condition should be set on a job/position basis ONLY.

    If someone, no matter their gender, can meet those requirements, they should be allowed to enter that job.

    Thus, females should be allowed to serve on subs if they meet the requirements.

    I'm a little iffy on the "must modify subs for this" bit.

    I don't think most of us as a culture have reached the point where we can handle military women and men showering/sleeping/whatever in the same showers and quarters (but not the same bed, obviously) without large public outcry.

    I like to think I wouldn't have an issue with it, but truthfully, I do have a slight one.

    If only in the respect that I take my privacy seriously...Probably a hold-over from my parent’s religious training as a kid.

    That said, I wish it weren’t an issue, as it just means one more wall of separation between females and men in the equality department.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I say that females should be allowed in all areas of the military, no matter the job.

    Except situations where the very fact that they are female might endanger the mission, such as in a less socially advanced culture.

    I think all military standards for physical/mental condition should be set on a job/position basis ONLY.

    If someone, no matter their gender, can meet those requirements, they should be allowed to enter that job.

    Thus, females should be allowed to serve on subs if they meet the requirements.

    I'm a little iffy on the "must modify subs for this" bit.

    I don't think most of us as a culture have reached the point where we can handle military women and men showering/sleeping/whatever in the same showers and quarters (but not the same bed, obviously) without large public outcry.

    I like to think I wouldn't have an issue with it, but truthfully, I do have a slight one.

    If only in the respect that I take my privacy seriously...Probably a hold-over from my parent’s religious training as a kid.

    That said, I wish it weren’t an issue, as it just means one more wall of separation between females and men in the equality department.

    I’m dreaming, I know…
    So you say there should be no physical standards right.......OK what if your right and you and a female are in a foxhole and its about to be over run with the enemy......would you rather be with a 200 lb guy who can meet any physical standard or be with a 100 ln female to back you up?
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Doesn't everyone on board have specific responsibilities? If a woman is in a slot isn't it safe to assume she has proven to be competent in that job? If she needs to carry heavy weight she can either do the job or not, just like a man, right?

    Women are performing all kinds of duties in the military that people thought they couldn't do.
    That said there are different requirements for men and women.......
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