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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Physical ability is irrelevant when there's one standard.

    Sexual distractions are a sign of lack of discipline. If individuals can't control themselves, then they should be discharged. There's no room in the military for someone who refuses to obey regulations and puts the integrity of the unit in jeopardy.
    You're exactly right. By the same token there's no room in the service for creating a situation that will put unit integrity in jeapordy.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Military standards are set by the Department of Defense, not by politicians nor citizen voters. If the DoD has a problem with the standards it sets, it has only itself to blame.

    Beyond this, the whole faux outrage/distress about lowering military standards to allow women to serve is complete bullcrap.



    You have got to be ****ing kidding me. That is a recent issue. Since the war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Everything I mentioned was happening in the ****ing 80's.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Here ya go.

    History is cool, ain't it?
    It sure is.

    Throughout American history until the end of World War I, the Navy had enlisted Negroes for general service, and Negro sailors had served and fought with credit throughout the fleet. After the First World War, however, the Navy halted Negro enlistments; and when they were opened again in 1932, Negroes were recruited only for service in the messman's branch.

    This was the situation at the beginning of World War II and it continued until six months after Pearl Harbor. The Selective Service Act of 1940 provided that "in the selection and training of men under this Act, and in the interpretation and execution of the provisions of this Act, there shall be no discrimination against any person on account of race or color." This provision had no immediate effect in opening up general service ratings to Negroes, however, because the Navy continued to rely on voluntary recruiting until February 1943.

    Consequently the Navy continued its peacetime policy of restricting Negroes to the messman's branch on the ground that "the enlistment of Negroes (other than as mess attendants) leads to disruptive and undermining conditions." In response to public inquiries, the Navy issued a statement explaining that "the policy of not enlisting men of the colored race for any branch of the naval service but the messman's branch was adopted to meet the best interests of general ship efficiency . . . . This policy not only serves the best interests of the Navy and the country, but serves as well the best interests of [Negroes] themselves."

    After Pearl Harbor, however, the Navy was subjected to considerable pressure from Negro organizations to expand its utilization of Negroes. The Navy at first continued to insist on the exclusion of Negroes from general service, arguing that Negroes were not as adaptable or efficient as whites, and that segregation on shipboard was not feasible. After several exchanges of memoranda, the President finally wrote to the Secretary of the Navy that the matter "should be determined by you and me." Consequently on April 7, 1942, the Navy announced that effective June 1 Negroes would be enlisted for general service as well as mess attendants. But these volunteers, the Navy made clear, would receive basic and advanced training in segregated camps and schools, would be utilized in segregated units, and would be limited in assignment to shore installations and harbor craft. Negroes in general service ratings would not be billeted in seagoing vessels, but would be used principally in construction battalions under the Bureau of Yards and Docks, in supply depots, ordnance stations, and yard (harbor) craft.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    It sure is.
    To bad the studies I have posted do not show the same for females. Blacks are men, not women. It is completely and utterly irrelevant.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Blacks are men, not women.
    ...apart from black women, that is.

    Do you claim, then, that no woman in the USA would be capable of competantly serving on a submarine?
    The truth may be out there, but lies are in your head. ~Terry Pratchett

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    The same benefits as integrating blacks into the navy.
    Be specific.

    Black men are men, and there's no sigificant biological differences between black men and white men.

    Women aren't men and integrating them into the force requires adjustments to logistics and shipboard engineering. Especially on submarines.

    What advantage is gained with the added expenditure and higher risk?

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    ...apart from black women, that is.
    hehehe!

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    Do you deny that any woman in the USA would be capable of competantly serving on a submarine?
    Of course not. I don't really care if they serve on subs or not. I am talking about the small percentage that could actually do it. Then to boost the number the degradation in training standards to accomplish this.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No it does not. It has our government and people to blame. Those who wanted the requirements adjusted down for females. The military is nothing more than a reflection of our society and political body's wishes, period.

    It never fails. Libertarians and the unrealistic wants. No wonder the party is seen as a joke.
    Hello? Compromising unit readiness and increasing costs to integrate women into the military is not a libertarian position. Libertarians are smart enough to know that men and women are different.

    Nope, this rush to impose social engineering experiments on the US military is a Leftist fad, not a libertarian mandate.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Hello? Compromising unit readiness and increasing costs to integrate women into the military is not a libertarian position. Libertarians are smart enough to know that men and women are different.

    Nope, this rush to impose social engineering experiments on the US military is a Leftist fad, not a libertarian mandate.
    According to the posters I see here, the majority are self proclaimed libertarians advocating females be integrated.

    I have not seen one libertarian say otherwise in this thread?
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Military standards are set by the Department of Defense, not by politicians nor citizen voters. If the DoD has a problem with the standards it sets, it has only itself to blame.
    It's what happens when PC nazi civilians get to make decisions about military standards.


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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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