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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

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    That was a heck of a drawdown...from a LONG period of very ugly combat. Viet Nam was no doubt the WORST managed war the US has ever been involved in.
    And the transition to an all volunteer Army was quite bumpy. Lots of guys should never have served. Lucky for me, I didn't have to work with them. But when I came into contact with them, all I could do was shake my head and wonder how the hell they ever got in.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Caedon View Post
    Moving 150 pounds around as a man is simply not very hard. I would venture to guess that nearly all men in the military would be able to do that over at least short distances.
    And all the women who passed that test would also be able to do the same.

    One job, one standard.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    And all the women who passed that test would also be able to do the same.

    One job, one standard.
    Never going to happen realistically speaking.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Never going to happen realistically speaking.
    The military only has itself to blame for that.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    The military only has itself to blame for that.
    No it does not. It has our government and people to blame. Those who wanted the requirements adjusted down for females. The military is nothing more than a reflection of our society and political body's wishes, period.

    It never fails. Libertarians and the unrealistic wants. No wonder the party is seen as a joke.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    And all the women who passed that test would also be able to do the same.

    One job, one standard.
    Just because something might *feel right* does not mean it is practical. While it may *feel right* to have one job, one standard in terms of gender on submarines, outside factors dictate that it would be neither practical nor appropriate. The distractions involved in bringing women on board serve no purpose unless the general consensus is that bringing women on board will make the Navy stronger.

    That's the primary issue, as far as I'm concerned. These people are serving in the defense of our country. This isn't about whether or not women are as smart or capable as men - this is not corporate America.

    So until someone provides proof that bringing women on board a sub will make the sub more effective in its job, I say that the costs of the change are not worth it for what appears to be a "let's play nice and fair" move.

    Simply put, what are the benefits to bringing women on board? And no, "it's the right thing to do" won't cut it.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Caedon View Post
    Simply put, what are the benefits to bringing women on board? And no, "it's the right thing to do" won't cut it.
    The same benefits as integrating blacks into the navy.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    The same benefits as integrating blacks into the navy.
    Here we go again. Blacks have been in the navy since the civil war. Blacks are also men.

    Apples and oranges.

    Your quote is not an argument.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The jobs you mention would not require much equalization in the way of standards. We are talking about creating combat category jobs where the standards for men and women would be identical, and where women could VOLUNTARILY apply for the job.
    Keeping women out of combat arms units isn't all about their ability to do the same job as men.

    IMO, at least, co-ed combat arms units would cause way more problems than just a chick that can't tote an M-240 machine gun on a 20 mile march, or hump a 60 pound ruck.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Here we go again. Blacks have been in the navy since the civil war. Blacks are also men.

    Apples and oranges.

    Your quote is not an argument.
    I said integrated.

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