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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    By the way, I'm a Navy vet, too. So I understand the reasons for being opposed to women on submarines.
    I also understand why some seamen would be willing to

    "Welcome aboard!" women.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It'll be the TDU weight loads.

    All of the crew has to hand-to-hand those things down into the boat. We loaded them by the ton, and there were eight ten-pound steel disks in each box. They have to be handed down vertical ladders, and we lost the tallest man on the boat, because, naturally, he was placed at the bottom, and the man above him dropped a box. Didn't kill him, just destroyed his shoulder.

    How many women are going to be standing at the bottom of THOSE ladders, hmmmm?

    I got the COB to loan me three seamen so we could carry eight R-114 refill cylinders down from the McKee, the tender. They weighed forty-five pounds apiece, there wasn't a truck handy, and after we hiked them over, little old me had to climb into the damnedest places to hoist them into their stowage brackets. How much help is the lady Machinist's Mate going to need to do her job as the ships Air Conditioning technician?
    Sounds like a redesign of the cargo loading procedures and hatches, not to mention crew safety measures, is necessary.

    Of course, there are probably reasons I am unaware of that such has not been accomplished...

    Perhaps structural issues?

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Goyboy View Post
    By the way, I'm a Navy vet, too. So I understand the reasons for being opposed to women on submarines.
    I also understand why some seamen would be willing to

    "Welcome aboard!" women.

    I expect a lot of the guys on the sub would love it.........
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I expect a lot of the guys on the sub would love it.........
    As soon as they drop DADT... a few hormones and some of their ship mates might just look like tht...

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The Ohio has been converted to a platform type ship from a Trident.....They need a lot of space to launch the Tomahawk missiles...........I have been down in the berthing compartments of both the crew and the chiefs with the COB....Trust me there is no room......

    Its kind of ironic that we are talking about the OHIO because I was at a change of command ceromony for her last Friday.........
    Ah, well, the last time I saw the Ohio personally, it had never been wet.

    I recall hearing that they took the USS LaJolla and stretched it to make room for a set of vertical launch tubes for Tomahawks.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    As soon as they drop DADT... a few hormones and some of their ship mates might just look like tht...

    That is a whole new ball game.........
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio
    My wife told me abotu the "alpha female" syndrome, where a strong female leader in a group can have an effect on other females in the group. I.E. they all PMS on HER scheduale. Now I have no clue if this is actually true, but do you REALLY want to chance a submarine where 5 days a month the women are in total bitch mode?
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyPride
    There are a lot of situations aboard a sub that takes physical strength....Most women don't have it...
    Neither of these present barriers to all women. Most/many, sure - but not all. That's the discriminatory bit.

    Pick the women who will do the job well - ones who are as competent as the men who currently serve. Don't pick the women who aren't good enough; it'd be daft to do it any other way. But don't discriminate purely on gender - as long as that gender is not an issue (hence the single-sex subs).

    Incidentally... any opinions on the fact that some of the current male submariners could well be DADT-ing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow
    You mean besides the fact that they first have to serve on some other boat to get the experience needed to do what you're saying?
    Surely when the subs were initially brought into use by the Navy (only just less than 100 years ago), the men in them had a similar lack of experience?

    If the US army has insufficient training facilities to prepare people for submarine life without actually putting them inside a live and active sub, shame on the US army.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Sounds like a redesign of the cargo loading procedures and hatches, not to mention crew safety measures, is necessary.
    No.

    It's a submarine. When they're run by men, bad things don't happen. Letting boys and women get involved, and bad things will.

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Perhaps structural issues?
    Yes, women don't have the structure to man-handle TDU weights.

    That's why it's called "man"-handle.

    The Left persists in this myth that there's nothing a man can do that a woman can't. Well, I'm sure the Left hasn't noticed, but men and women are different.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    This will be a great moral booster and give a new meaning to several terms used on Subs but i won't go into them. Suffice to say they all involve Torpedoes. Nuff said.
    What was it they used say when a whaler saw a whale?

    All kidding aside there was a time when respect for women and their safety was the main concern, but if they want to serve it's no big deal. It's not like an Aircraft Carrier or other surface ship where they can sneak off to some secluded location for secret snuggle.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    If the US army has insufficient training facilities to prepare people for submarine life without actually putting them inside a live and active sub, shame on the US army.
    I'm absolutely certain the US Army does not have the facilities to train women for submarine duty.

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