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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    One more factor is being left out to consider. Females make up 11% of the military of the US. Many of these women are in mission critical jobs. If the standards were made the same across the board (in the end everyone is infantry) the majority of the females could not pass. More than 10% according to other studies would wash out. This would hurt rather than help our fighting forces. Or fighting forces would forever be less than 1% female. This takes men off the front lines to man positions a female can handle just fine.

    This is the reality of the situation. No amount of wishful thinking no matter how well intended or in this case correct, will change this.

    You can call it sexist if you want, but reality says no.
    How about this. If a woman passes the current standards she can serve in where women are currently allowed. If she goes above and beyond and meets the male standards she can serve where only men can currently serve. If no women can pass the higher level of standards, oh well, no women in subs or on the front line.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    How about this. If a woman passes the current standards she can serve in where women are currently allowed. If she goes above and beyond and meets the male standards she can serve where only men can currently serve. If no women can pass the higher level of standards, oh well, no women in subs or on the front line.
    How would you feel about "and if a woman chooses to go into a frontline position she must mandatorily be on Norplant?"

    I hope no one gets the idea that Im against women in the military...furthest thing from it...Even with the complications of the "Queen of the Desert" syndrome which EVERY FOL faces, they still pretty much do their job.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Why not anymore???
    She sued the Fire Dept and won. Hence the whole issue with why females should not be in combat. Invariably someone will win and get the standards reduced.

    The standards are tough to deal with the stresses of combat. As the testimony I posted from West Point says, realistically it will lead to reduced standards for females and eventually men as happened at West Point.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    How about this. If a woman passes the current standards she can serve in where women are currently allowed. If she goes above and beyond and meets the male standards she can serve where only men can currently serve. If no women can pass the higher level of standards, oh well, no women in subs or on the front line.
    I would not have a problem with that. Never going to happen though.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not so fast, you are talking about more than just weight. That is also cumbersome and awkward.

    I know, I have carried the dummy.
    Then the standards should reflect the ACTUAL DEMANDS of the job. I'm not suggesting that they should be lowered. I'm suggesting that they should be evaluated for relevance.

    Sometimes, an agency will have a broad standard required of all employees that, when evaluated, isn't realistic. Perhaps it's too low, perhaps it's too high. I have ZERO PROBLEMS with men and women using the same standards, based upon the job.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Then the standards should reflect the ACTUAL DEMANDS of the job. I'm not suggesting that they should be lowered. I'm suggesting that they should be evaluated for relevance.

    Sometimes, an agency will have a broad standard required of all employees that, when evaluated, isn't realistic. Perhaps it's too low, perhaps it's too high. I have ZERO PROBLEMS with men and women using the same standards, based upon the job.
    Ahh OK, I should have known.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I figured as much, and please dont take any of that as disrespect. We need EVERYONE to do their job...including the protocal officer that couldnt spell Army if you spot him or her the A and the Y.

    The only point is that things ARE a little different today. Our 'clerk' jumped out of the planes with us. Carried a full field pack. etc.
    Even us lowly behind the lines guys

    From my experience, I'd be leery of trusting my life to my counterparts in the field. Those guys were scary and pretty inept.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It means they should be an accurate reflection of the demands of the job. For instance, it was mentioned that on a sub, some equipment weighs 150 pounds, and a woman couldn't move that by herself.

    Tell me...how many men move a 150 pound pump, BY THEMSELVES? If they do, that's stupid, they are risking back injury for no good reason.
    I think the number was an example.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    How would you feel about "and if a woman chooses to go into a frontline position she must mandatorily be on Norplant?"

    I hope no one gets the idea that Im against women in the military...furthest thing from it...Even with the complications of the "Queen of the Desert" syndrome which EVERY FOL faces, they still pretty much do their job.
    Fine by me. If she gets pregnant through her actions she should be court-martialed per current regulations.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I would not have a problem with that. Never going to happen though.
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