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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Because they're stupid and unwilling to fight for the correct solution. Lowered standards is the easy way out ..but the wrong way.
    OK...now...see...I PERSONALLY think that if you said THAT...from the getgo...we would all have common ground. And i dont pretend to have read the previous 33 pages of comments...I actually have a job...

    Unfortunately the argument always seems to break down to equality issues...rights issues.

    I dont want weaker soldier standards so more can make it. I dont want lowered test requirements so just anyone can become a cop or be promoted to leadership positions. 1 standard...the HIGHEST of standards...and I think we could probably ALL agree on that.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What does that mean?
    It means they should be an accurate reflection of the demands of the job. For instance, it was mentioned that on a sub, some equipment weighs 150 pounds, and a woman couldn't move that by herself.

    Tell me...how many men move a 150 pound pump, BY THEMSELVES? If they do, that's stupid, they are risking back injury for no good reason.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It means they should be an accurate reflection of the demands of the job. For instance, it was mentioned that on a sub, some equipment weighs 150 pounds, and a woman couldn't move that by herself.

    Tell me...how many men move a 150 pound pump, BY THEMSELVES?
    Most actually. For the fire department you used to have to carry a 150lb dummy up and down 2 flights of stairs.

    Needless to say, not anymore.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And I rest my case.

    Could not have asked for a better example.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Most actually.
    I call bull****. Boyfriend runs a solar power company and doesn't handle the 150 pound solar panels/water heaters by himself. He did so last year and pulled a groin muscle. And he's a solidly muscled 220 pound, 6'4" guy.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    OK...that makes sense. And I dont disrespect your service...Im grateful for it. Todays military is just a TEENSY bit different than post Nam 70's and 80's. Combat field packs weigh damn near as much as many female soldiers. The fighting conditions are radically different. Its truly a different time and military.
    That's because I was never in a field unit. I never did daily PT and rarely dressed in fatigues or dress uniforms. In the 7 years I was in, I only requalified with an M16 once. Most of my co-workers were civilians. Having to shine my shoes, get a haircut, and salute officers was about as military as it got for me.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I call bull****. Boyfriend runs a solar power company and doesn't handle the 150 pound solar panels/water heaters by himself. He did so last year and pulled a groin muscle. And he's a solidly muscled 220 pound, 6'4" guy.
    Not so fast, you are talking about more than just weight. That is also cumbersome and awkward.

    I know, I have carried the dummy.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It means they should be an accurate reflection of the demands of the job. For instance, it was mentioned that on a sub, some equipment weighs 150 pounds, and a woman couldn't move that by herself.

    Tell me...how many men move a 150 pound pump, BY THEMSELVES?
    Ive had to press 150-200 pound antenna arrays into place while another secures it. And we are talking enclosed spaces. 90 pound tunable components in the tail of cargo transports where there is zero room for mechanical equipment. And I wasnt the only one in the service that did it...so...at least a few of us.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    That's because I was never in a field unit. I never did daily PT and rarely dressed in fatigues or dress uniforms. In the 7 years I was in, I only requalified with an M16 once. Most of my co-workers were civilians. Having to shine my shoes, get a haircut, and salute officers was about as military as it got for me.
    I figured as much, and please dont take any of that as disrespect. We need EVERYONE to do their job...including the protocal officer that couldnt spell Army if you spot him or her the A and the Y.

    The only point is that things ARE a little different today. Our 'clerk' jumped out of the planes with us. Carried a full field pack. etc.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Most actually. For the fire department you used to have to carry a 150lb dummy up and down 2 flights of stairs.

    Needless to say, not anymore.
    Why not anymore???

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