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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Seriously? Calling me PC *and* a liberal in one fail swoop? You couldn't be further from the truth on either count. Since when is equal rights 'PC'?

    Regardless, if the men currently in the military aren't capable of thinking with their big heads, then perhaps we should replace them with some who CAN.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    And if the women in the military can't live up to the same standards the men have, that is no one's fault but the military. And the military needs to fix it by using one set of standards for everyone.
    That just does not work...

    "Today's West Point males are not increasing their cardio-vascular efficiency as much as their predecessors did because they are insufficiently challenged by physical training standards geared to include women."

    This is the way it is, not because of the military but the politicians telling the military what to do. Because this is what the people want, not saying it's you.

    The problem is you are not willing to see the reality of the situation. You try and pass off some Utopian ideal that in reality will never happen.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Don't forget it takess two to tango........just blaming it on the guys is not going to cut it...
    I must admit the rate of females being taken off duty because of pregnancy was ridicules.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Don't forget it takess two to tango........just blaming it on the guys is not going to cut it...
    You'll notice that the post I quoted mentioned men specifically.

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    Seems to me that when we have people who are responsible for a small nuclear arsonal aboard there ship it may be prudent to not create a distraction with the men such as this. But then again when do Liberals ever choose a common sense option as opposed to a PC one?

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Seriously? Calling me PC *and* a liberal in one fail swoop? You couldn't be further from the truth on either count. Since when is equal rights 'PC'?

    Regardless, if the men currently in the military aren't capable of thinking with their big heads, then perhaps we should replace them with some who CAN.
    I apoligize for calling you a Liberal if you arent, I would be offended by that too.

    Honestly though riv, these boats stay submerged for months at a time and over that length of time...well men will be men & women I doubt would be saints either. Seems like a distraction that men with such a serious & dangerous mission dont need.

    How about an all women sub.... would that work for you?

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    I apoligize for calling you a Liberal if you arent, I would be offended by that too.

    Honestly though riv, these boats stay submerged for months at a time and over that length of time...well men will be men & women I doubt would be saints either. Seems like a distraction that men with such a serious & dangerous mission dont need.

    How about an all women sub.... would that work for you?
    Why do you have such a low opinion of our military personnel? Do you really think that they would endanger their lives and missions needlessly? Screwing through GQ is highly unlikely.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    I apoligize for calling you a Liberal if you arent, I would be offended by that too.
    I would have called you on labeling me a conservative too. I am neither. And I'm sure as **** not PC. But I DO believe that all PEOPLE in this country should have the same *legal* opportunities. That means, that any black person should be allowed to TRY to obtain any job that a white person can. Ditto for men and women. Ditto for Asians, Muslims, Indians, whatever. We are NOT all created equal, but in the eyes of our government, we should be *treated* as such. The same doors that are open for men, should be open for women. I don't care if only a handful of women can actually make it through the door... it should at least still be open.

    And, IMO, that means that both the men and women will have to accept certain restrictions, rules, and living arrangements. I think everything should be co-ed (in all aspects of the military). Separating folks only creates a division, an "us vs them". Not to mention an inequality. If men and women aren't okay with co-ed, then they need not volunteer.

    I agree that there shouldn't be any hanky panky going on. But, in the likely event that it WILL be going on, women should be required to be on birth control. Preferably something that doesn't require any effort on her part, such as an IUD. If she doesn't want to do that, then she need not volunteer for the job.

    There should be physical and mental requirements for any PERSON taking a job on a sub. Those requirements should be *one* set for ALL. Anyone not meeting not meeting any of those requirements doesn't go. Simple as.


    How about an all women sub.... would that work for you?
    Not only would it work for me, I would imagine that an all female sub would solve just about all of the issues the men here are whining about.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I fail to see how allowing women who physically qualify to serve on a sub would result in military having to adjust their physical requirements for more women to serve. I think it's baseless paranoia more than anything. The only thing I see this doing is not allowing someone's sex to be a determining factor on whether or not they can serve on a sub and instead letting the physical requirements (which is truly the crux of what everyone is arguing here) be the determining factor.
    You saying it is baseless paranoia makes me think that you have never been in the millitary. Go to airborne school and than tell me if it is baseless. It is just like how women complained that they coudnt go to airborne school and so the Army lets them in. And guess what they will not be making any combat jumps since they are not in combat units. It scares me to think of how many millions of taxdollars have been wasted on that one example of the Army trying to be PC.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    I think birth control should not only be mandatory for women on subs but anyone in the millitary who is in a deployable mos or postion. It is not right to make the other soldiers in her unit make up the work for a woman who choose to get knocked up either while on deployment or not. I also think that any woman who becomes preggers while on a deployment should be treated exactly the same as some one who on purpose does something to get themselves sent home. Shooting yourself in the foot screwes your unit over exactly the same as you going home with child.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Can you say with equal certainty that women aren't allowed to take Ranger training?
    Oh yeah, it's a fact that a female soldier has never attended Ranger training. The Ranger battalions are a combat arms unit. Females aren't allowed to serve in combat arms units.
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