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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I hear they're going to install outhouses on subs for the women.
    That will save water no need to flush !!
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Of course women would pass the training the men go threough to become a SEAL. The military would be forced to lower the requirements until women could pass.

    They did it with the firemen, they did it with the cops. They'll do it with the SEALS if they get a chance.
    They are NOT forced. They WRONGLY chose to do that, in detriment to everyone in those fields of work. Different training requirements is wrong on so many levels and the people who came up with them are ****ing retarded. Those sexist requirements set women up for failure and create an additional burden on the men. They are unfair to EVERYONE


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    Women aren't the equal of men.

    one word proves this:

    Pregnancy.
    Two words: Birth Control

    And no one person is equal to any other person, either. That's not the issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, the gripe is with the laws demanding equal pay for equal work, and then not requiring that equal work actually be equal work.
    Then take it up with the ****heads who do that ****. Because that is flat out wrong and should be stopped immediately.

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    Exactly.

    Unless BC becomes mandatory - among other extreme measures - I'm fully against co-mingling in close-quarter situations. It invites more troubles than it'll prevent.
    BC absolutely should be mandatory on a sub.

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    Of course there are some but they are the exception rather then the rule.........
    And?

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Why must anyone accept anything that is philosophically in opppsition to our values. That is like saying that us normal people have to accept that Monika have two mommies or that Danny can actually have two daddies. Wrong is wrong and don't try tp force social experimentation on unwilling people.
    Yeah, I know. Didn't ya hate when we forced our radical values and 'social experimentation' regarding blacks in the military too?


    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Just because some of us free thinking people do not accept women in combat or on craamped Sub why d how does that constitute sexism. I am sick and tired of the overuse and missuse of sexism just as I am tired of false accusations of racism. If you call every opinion that you do not agree with as sexist then you will mask the true sexist.
    Because it IS sexism. Plain and simple. It really doesn't get any more simplistically sexist than what you and others are blathering on about here.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    A Los Angeles class submarine has one head on the Foward Compartment Lower Level, and a bunk room for 21 men. The head has one toilet, one rain locker, one sink.

    The Forward Comparment Middle Level has two connected bunk rooms where the rest of the enlisted bunk. The connection is the head. This head has one urinal, three toilets, two showers, three sinks.

    The Chiefs are also on this level. The Goat Locker has twelve bunks, one head with one toilet, one shower, one sink.

    The junior officers bunks and Wardroom are on this level, they share one head, with one toilet, one shower, and I can't recall if their two-man bunkrooms have sinks or not.

    The XO and the CO are berthed in staterooms just forward of the Control Room.

    Over 100 men, E-6 and below, share four toilets, one urinal, three showers and four sinks.

    There ZERO facilities for split-tails.

    Got it, people?



    Nah, there's the sleeping and hygeine issues there, as well.
    Leftwing concept of berthing aboard an LA class sub.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Another reason that I went Air Force -- I have to give you Sub Swabbies credit for being able to put up with those conditions. So an aircraft carrier must be like going club Med if someone has experienced Subs - I would think !!
    And aircraft carrier is a floating city.........you basically have all the comforts of home....a lot of time you can barely tell when a ship is under way.

    Let me tell you a little story.......use to be all subs were diesel boats..Well I was on a destroyer and we were tied up in Panama,,,,,,Tied uo along side of us was and old diesel boat sub called the USS DIABLO......One morning they passed the word on the 1MC asking if anyone wanting to ride the DIABLO for one day to lay upto the quarterdeck and sign up.......Well I did it and the next morning several of us guys boarded the sub and it got underway......as soon as we got pass the break water the sub submerged.......

    I can honestly tell you that was one of the worse experiences of my life.....It was miserably hot, crowded and stunk of diesel fuel....I was never so glad to get back in port and get the hell of that boat.....I had to throw my uniform away because the diesel fuel smell would not go away..........Now the new subs are not like that but they are not that much improved.......

    Before I made that trip I was thinking about volunteering for sub duty.....That changed my mind for good..........
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Leftwing concept of berthing aboard an LA class sub.

    Damn but those are some primitive sleeping quarters, and so inefficient, too!
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    This has been accepted. What you seem to be struggling with is that some females are stronger than most males, and you constantly resort to steriotypes in order to maintain this disbelief.
    This is absolute bullcrap.

    "Under oath, Toffler also admitted that West Point has identified 120 physical differences between men and women, plus psychological differences. This, testified Toffler, has prompted West Point to make its physical training easier to accommodate women. According to Toffler:

    Cadets no longer train in combat boots because women were suffering higher rates of injury; cadets now wear jogging shoes.

    Women cadets take "comparable" or "equivalent" training when they cannot meet standards in some events. In practice this means that West Point males must do pull-ups while females merely do "flex-arm hangs."

    The famed and valuable "recondo" endurance week during which cadets used to march with full backpacks and undergo other strenuous activities has been eliminated, as have upper-body strength events in the obstacle course.

    Running with heavy weapons has been eliminated because it is "unrealistic and therefore unappropriate" to expect women to do it.

    Where men and women are required to perform the same exercises, women's scores are adjusted to give them more weight.

    Today's West Point males are not increasing their cardio-vascular efficiency as much as their predecessors did because they are insufficiently challenged by physical training standards geared to include women.

    In load-bearing tasks (carrying and lifting), 50 percent of the women score below the bottom 5 percent of the men.

    Peer ratings have been eliminated because women were scoring too low.
    " - Women in Combat: Why Rush to Judgment?

    The only people here struggling are the people who don't want to admit the fact about females in combat and ignore reality for some PC bull**** and call it "sexist."

    The strongest female in the world is not "stronger than most males" absolute crap. As a man when I was younger I could dead lift as much as the female record holder. I am average at best.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    They are NOT forced. They WRONGLY chose to do that, in detriment to everyone in those fields of work. Different training requirements is wrong on so many levels and the people who came up with them are ****ing retarded. Those sexist requirements set women up for failure and create an additional burden on the men. They are unfair to EVERYONE



    Two words: Birth Control

    And no one person is equal to any other person, either. That's not the issue.


    Then take it up with the ****heads who do that ****. Because that is flat out wrong and should be stopped immediately.


    BC absolutely should be mandatory on a sub.


    And?


    Yeah, I know. Didn't ya hate when we forced our radical values and 'social experimentation' regarding blacks in the military too?



    Because it IS sexism. Plain and simple. It really doesn't get any more simplistically sexist than what you and others are blathering on about here.
    Prove that women in the military can do everything men in the military can do. Prove it or move on.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Prove that women in the military can do everything men in the military can do. Prove it or move on.
    Prove that no woman in the military can live up to the same standards. Prove it, or move on.

    And if the women in the military can't live up to the same standards the men have, that is no one's fault but the military. And the military needs to fix it by using one set of standards for everyone.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Prove that no woman in the military can live up to the same standards. Prove it, or move on.

    And if the women in the military can't live up to the same standards the men have, that is no one's fault but the military. And the military needs to fix it by using one set of standards for everyone.
    So then I take it that you would turn a sub into a submerged brothel the same way our surface fleet has turned into a floating brothel?

    Seems to me that when we have people who are responsible for a small nuclear arsonal aboard there ship it may be prudent to not create a distraction with the men such as this. But then again when do Liberals ever choose a common sense option as opposed to a PC one?

    BC absolutely should be mandatory on a sub.
    No.... there should be no monkey business on a sub at all and lets be honest, with Women aboard this will be difficult to enforce so why even go there?
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    So then I take it that you would turn a sub into a submerged brothel the same way our surface fleet has turned into a floating brothel?

    Seems to me that when we have people who are responsible for a small nuclear arsonal aboard there ship it may be prudent to not create a distraction with the men such as this. But then again when do Liberals ever choose a common sense option as opposed to a PC one?
    Seriously? Calling me PC *and* a liberal in one fail swoop? You couldn't be further from the truth on either count. Since when is equal rights 'PC'?

    Regardless, if the men currently in the military aren't capable of thinking with their big heads, then perhaps we should replace them with some who CAN.

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