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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    If you give an inch, people will take a mile, period. Next thing you know just like every other area the standards will be reduced to allow more women participate. This is what I see as the problem.
    I fail to see how allowing women who physically qualify to serve on a sub would result in military having to adjust their physical requirements for more women to serve. I think it's baseless paranoia more than anything. The only thing I see this doing is not allowing someone's sex to be a determining factor on whether or not they can serve on a sub and instead letting the physical requirements (which is truly the crux of what everyone is arguing here) be the determining factor.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I fail to see how allowing women who physically qualify to serve on a sub would result in military having to adjust their physical requirements for more women to serve. I think it's baseless paranoia more than anything. The only thing I see this doing is not allowing someone's sex to be a determining factor on whether or not they can serve on a sub and instead letting the physical requirements (which is truly the crux of what everyone is arguing here) be the determining factor.
    Physical and mental requirements.

    Sub crews are probably screened for claustrophobia, among other things…

    That said, I can’t see how allowing the females who have those qualities on board a sub would cause a massive decrease in combat effectiveness.

    At least, once the crew got used to it.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    ..............and instead letting the physical requirements (which is truly the crux of what everyone is arguing here) be the determining factor.
    The problem is that the military currently does not do this. They are allowing the females to serve on a sub without meeting the same requirements.

    I agree, the physical requirements should be met. We are not talking about business accounting here, we are talking about preparing for these ships to be at war.

    The enemy doesn't care about physical requirements, they care care about killing whatever and whomever is on that sub. If there are females that can meet the same physical requirements as males for the job, I think they should be allowed. However, that is not what is being done.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I fail to see how allowing women who physically qualify to serve on a sub would result in military having to adjust their physical requirements for more women to serve. I think it's baseless paranoia more than anything. The only thing I see this doing is not allowing someone's sex to be a determining factor on whether or not they can serve on a sub and instead letting the physical requirements (which is truly the crux of what everyone is arguing here) be the determining factor.
    Please point out just one case were physical requirements were not reduced for female? Such as Police, Fire etc. Just one?

    So far it has happened in every single case, period.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The problem is that the military currently does not do this. They are allowing the females to serve on a sub without meeting the same requirements.

    I agree, the physical requirements should be met. We are not talking about business accounting here, we are talking about preparing for these ships to be at war.

    The enemy doesn't care about physical requirements, they care care about killing whatever and whomever is on that sub. If there are females that can meet the same physical requirements as males for the job, I think they should be allowed. However, that is not what is being done.
    Then perhaps we should be criticizing the military rather than making bs blanket sexist statements about how women in general shouldn't be allowed to serve on a submarine. The fact is that some of them, even if it's a small percentage, would pass the physical and mental requirements that would be needed. I don't see how demanding equality is equatable to being PC if they would only allow women who pass these physical requirements. Granted, as you say, that isn't what they are doing. Perhaps then, they should adjust their system to do this rather than just allowing any and all women to serve. However, that hasn't been where the conversation has been going thus far in this thread. People mainly have been making blanket statements about how women in general aren't capable of serving on a submarine.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Please point out just one case were physical requirements were not reduced for female? Such as Police, Fire etc. Just one?

    So far it has happened in every single case, period.
    Please point out where adjusting the physical requirements in the cases of police, fire, etc. has affected at large the performance of these groups overall for the negative? I have to say I'm pretty taken aback by how prevalent sexism still is.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Then perhaps we should be criticizing the military rather than making bs blanket sexist statements about how women in general shouldn't be allowed to serve on a submarine.
    While we are at it we can criticize it in civilian life as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    The fact is that some of them, even if it's a small percentage, would pass the physical and mental requirements that would be needed. I don't see how demanding equality is equatable to being PC if they would only allow women who pass these physical requirements.
    We live in the real world, this will not happen. They will lower the standards. Hell they are already planning to "retro fit" subs to accept females.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Granted, as you say, that isn't what they are doing. Perhaps then, they should adjust their system to do this rather than just allowing any and all women to serve.
    Again this is not going to happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    However, that hasn't been where the conversation has been going thus far in this thread. People mainly have been making blanket statements about how women in general aren't capable of serving on a submarine.
    In general, they are not up to the requirements at present.

    This is not rocket science, males and females are different mentally and physically. Why is this so hard to accept?
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Please point out where adjusting the physical requirements in the cases of police, fire, etc. has affected at large the performance of these groups overall for the negative? I have to say I'm pretty taken aback by how prevalent sexism still is.
    A female fireman cannot rescue me because I weigh over 100lbs. A police woman cannot take down a large unarmed suspect without backup. I know, got called in a few times to assist female officers. So they cannot do the same job as the majority of men in the same position. This puts a drain on the team. If even one member of the team is a weak link it is over.

    This does not mean they were bad police officers etc, just that they needed a hand more often than the average male.

    Again it has nothing to do with sexism, this is reality. Not PC political land.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Perhaps then, they should adjust their system to do this rather than just allowing any and all women to serve.
    Since that isn't going to be done and instead they are being allowed to serve even though thtey don't meet the same requirements, people have a right to criticize this action.
    People mainly have been making blanket statements about how women in general aren't capable of serving on a submarine.
    Many have been saying that, but I'm not. I think they should be able to serve if they meet the same requirements.

    I agree that those saying they shouldn't be allowed to serve in general is wrong.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    males and females are different mentally and physically. Why is this so hard to accept?
    This has been accepted. What you seem to be struggling with is that some females are stronger than most males, and you constantly resort to steriotypes in order to maintain this disbelief.
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