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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Who's fault is it if someone with substandard scores is placed into that MOS?
    I don't know, but you shouldn't make it all sound so simple. I don't care, in general, if women work on subs. But we should impliment a policy to satisfy the PC crowd. Damn it, this is our national security.....life and death. You don't cross the line on that.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I don't know, but you shouldn't make it all sound so simple. I don't care, in general, if women work on subs. But we should impliment a policy to satisfy the PC crowd. Damn it, this is our national security.....life and death. You don't cross the line on that.
    It is that simple - one job, one standard.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    I get a kick out of this whole argument.......I have never served on a submarine but I have spent time aboard them both Nuclear and Diesel operated....I actually spent one day aboard a diesel sub underway when I was in the Navy.....

    90% of you people have never been close to a sub let alone been aboard one...You have no clue what its like......These fast attack and trident submarines are the backbone of our defense against countries like Russia and China from ever attacking us.....They are not there as a social experiment to see if women can successfuly serve on a sub......There are so many reasons against it at the moment that it would take and hour to list them all....Unless you build new subs with accomadations for women (and that is not going to happen) or put all females on a sub this is not going to work........

    Again its not going to affect me....Its not the same as DADT because it be said the guys on the subs would love to see women on board............I know I would..............
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    It is that simple - one job, one standard.
    No it isn't.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I get a kick out of this whole argument.......I have never served on a submarine but I have spent time aboard them both Nuclear and Diesel operated....I actually spent one day aboard a diesel sub underway when I was in the Navy.....

    90% of you people have never been close to a sub let alone been aboard one...You have no clue what its like......These fast attack and trident submarines are the backbone of our defense against countries like Russia and China from ever attacking us.....They are not there as a social experiment to see if women can successfuly serve on a sub......There are so many reasons against it at the moment that it would take and hour to list them all....Unless you build new subs with accomadations for women (and that is not going to happen) or put all females on a sub this is not going to work........

    Again its not going to affect me....Its not the same as DADT because it be said the guys on the subs would love to see women on board............I know I would..............
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Then per your examples, your gripe is with your employers for having such sexist attitudes and failing to hold female employees to the same standards as male employees for a particular job.

    As to the military, all standards within any given MOS should be the same regardless of gender.

    No, the gripe is with the laws demanding equal pay for equal work, and then not requiring that equal work actually be equal work.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I get a kick out of this whole argument.......I have never served on a submarine but I have spent time aboard them both Nuclear and Diesel operated....I actually spent one day aboard a diesel sub underway when I was in the Navy.....

    90% of you people have never been close to a sub let alone been aboard one...You have no clue what its like......These fast attack and trident submarines are the backbone of our defense against countries like Russia and China from ever attacking us.....They are not there as a social experiment to see if women can successfuly serve on a sub......There are so many reasons against it at the moment that it would take and hour to list them all....Unless you build new subs with accomadations for women (and that is not going to happen) or put all females on a sub this is not going to work........

    Again its not going to affect me....Its not the same as DADT because it be said the guys on the subs would love to see women on board............I know I would..............
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, the gripe is with the laws demanding equal pay for equal work, and then not requiring that equal work actually be equal work.
    Blame the employer for not upholding such laws.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Then per your examples, your gripe is with your employers for having such sexist attitudes and failing to hold female employees to the same standards as male employees for a particular job.

    As to the military, all standards within any given MOS should be the same regardless of gender.
    But they are not, and never have been. Did you skip my comments about the military? Did you ignore the comments about Fire and Police departments reducing the standards for females?

    I hope that if I am ever unconscious in a building, a female firefighter does not find me or anyone else over 150lbs.

    I don't even think the employer was being sexist. April, looked like a little electronic parts put in the box person. I looked like the strapping the Bobcat front end guy. Men and women are different, This is NOT sexist, this is the point I was making.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Blame the employer for not upholding such laws.
    The trouble with these PC fairness policies is that they ignore obvious human nature. No male supervisor is going to put Scarecrow in a cushy chair and put a frail 105 lb woman out digging ditches. It is not going to happen. Accept it and move on.
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