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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    The Navy would begin by phasing in officers aboard the larger ships, which are easier to retrofit for coed quarters. Females would also not be allowed to serve alone; at least two women would be required to be on board. It would take about a year before the first women would board a sub, due to the amount of training need. ABC News says that the Navy hopes that 12-18 ROTC or Naval Academy graduates will enter submarine training.
    Pentagon to Allow Women on Subs | News | Advocate.com

    The subs would be retrofit to accommodate women.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Women on a sub is a housing issue. Regardless of how you feel on the matter, having women on a submarine would create the problem of "where to put them". On a sub, all the guys use the same bathroom gay or straight. The need to create a separate bathroom(and once again, regardless of how you feel about it - it would have to happen as our military is not co-ed as far as those facilities are involved) would create an ergonomic issue for submarines that is simply more of a trouble than simply not letting women go on subs. It is not as simple as 'let the ones who want to do it, do it' because that is not how the military works. You have to change rules, regulations, see how those rules and regulations will affect others, etc etc etc. It is the reason Obama simply can't say "let gays serve". The courts have already ruled that it is not that simple.
    No need for a separate bathroom. Either both genders accept co-ed, or they don't serve on a sub. No reason to change any rules or regs at all.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Yeah, that about sums it up.

    Women as Green Berets? They just can't hack it physically. Even if there was one woman who could, why change everything just for her?
    Change what?

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No need for a separate bathroom. Either both genders accept co-ed, or they don't serve on a sub. No reason to change any rules or regs at all.
    Did you not read a thing I said? In the real world, you know, the one most people live in? It is not as ****ing easy as waving some stupid wiccan wand and saying "Bam! Changed!" Rules and regulations can't be scrapped because of how some moron without a single clue of how a submarine actually works thinks it is unfair. Seriously, if you're not going to make an effort to read what is being said to you, why don't you leave the thread? You'll be doing everyone here a huge favor. Or at the very least, try to make some sort of point other than 'IT ISN'T FAIR THAT I HAVE A VAGINA!'
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Did you not read a thing I said? In the real world, you know, the one most people live in? It is not as ****ing easy as waving some stupid wiccan wand and saying "Bam! Changed!" Rules and regulations can't be scrapped because of how some moron without a single clue of how a submarine actually works thinks it is unfair. Seriously, if you're not going to make an effort to read what is being said to you, why don't you leave the thread? You'll be doing everyone here a huge favor. Or at the very least, try to make some sort of point other than 'IT ISN'T FAIR THAT I HAVE A VAGINA!'
    I read it.

    It IS pretty easy. How hard is it to say 'co-ed'? I mean, seriously. If the men and women don't want to serve on a co-ed sub, they don't have to. How difficult is that? Pretty ****ing easy.

    Seriously, I'll show you how easy it is:

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_N...on_Submarines/

    BAM. Ban lifted. Oh noes!
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I read it.
    You obviously haven't because you're still repeating the same stupid **** you've been trolling about for 5 pages now. The fact that your vagina doesn't get accommodated everywhere at any time and place.

    It IS pretty easy. How hard is it to say 'co-ed'? I mean, seriously. If the men and women don't want to serve on a co-ed sub, they don't have to. How difficult is that? Pretty ****ing easy.
    Seriously, I'll show you how easy it is:

    Pentagon to Allow Women on Subs | News | Advocate.com

    BAM. Ban lifted. Oh noes!
    You're either a completely illiterate or you simply chose to read the sources which invalidate your ridiculous point. Not sure which is worse. Here, I'll explain why it is not that easy to say "co-ed". From your source:

    Submarines are the only craft in the Navy on which women are restricted from serving, due to close quarters, which could make coed service difficult to manage, according to the Associated Press. The change comes during the ongoing challenge to repeal "don't ask, don't tell," the law barring gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military.
    The Navy would begin by phasing in officers aboard the larger ships, which are easier to retrofit for coed quarters. Females would also not be allowed to serve alone; at least two women would be required to be on board. It would take about a year before the first women would board a sub, due to the amount of training need. ABC News says that the Navy hopes that 12-18 ROTC or Naval Academy graduates will enter submarine training.
    So from the get-go we now know the Navy will actually have to retrofit its ships to accommodate women. So much for "co-ed".

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    Defense secretary Robert Gates notified Congress of the proposed change in a letter. Congress members have 30 days to respond.
    30 days to respond. No. The ban is not simply lifted. Congress has to approve of it and to some extent so does the CinC and JCS. That takes months for minor changes and for changes such as this, years. Finally :

    This rule against women serving on subs is not written into law, unlike the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, which was passed into law by Congress in 1993.
    Now because of women a completely new set of rules, training manuals and courses on sensitivity will have to be created for men inside submarines to deal with women. Obviously in the real world, it is not as easy as you paint it though.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You obviously haven't because you're still repeating the same stupid **** you've been trolling about for 5 pages now. The fact that your vagina doesn't get accommodated everywhere at any time and place.
    I don't require being 'accommodated'. That's what you don't seem to get. And how the **** have I been trolling? Stating my ****ing opinion is trolling, now?

    You're either a completely illiterate or you simply chose to read the sources which invalidate your ridiculous point. Not sure which is worse. Here, I'll explain why it is not that easy to say "co-ed". From your source:

    So from the get-go we now know the Navy will actually have to retrofit its ships to accommodate women. So much for "co-ed".
    I never said they WERE going to do co-ed. Could you point me to where I did say that? I said they SHOULD. All you crybabies whining and crying about how 'hard' it would be to let women on a sub and yet... they're doing it. You're saying it's impossible, yet... well, you saw the link.

    Secondly :
    30 days to respond. No. The ban is not simply lifted. Congress has to approve of it and to some extent so does the CinC and JCS. That takes months for minor changes and for changes such as this, years. Finally :
    Oh, they have to sign a bill. Gee... that's soooo ****ing hard, isn't it? I think I'll go cry for all of the hard work entailed.


    Now because of women a completely new set of rules, training manuals and courses on sensitivity will have to be created for men inside submarines to deal with women. Obviously in the real world, it is not as easy as you paint it though.
    No. Not because of women. Because of ****tard, PC ****heads.

    Yes, it IS as easy as I paint it. It's ****tards that do everything they can to make it as difficult as they can.

    Signing a ****ing bill to lift a ban isn't hard.
    Retrofitting a sub isn't necessary. Are they doing it? Yes. Is it necessary? NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST. Neither is all other ****ing bull****.


    EDIT: And are you seriously going to sit here and argue the position that women shouldn't serve on a sub because it'll be too much paperwork? That too many people will have to read things and sign things? Is your position really that weak, that's what it boils down to? Too much paperwork?
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    If women can be astronauts and serve on cramped space ships, then they can do the same on cramped subs.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    If women can be astronauts and serve on cramped space ships, then they can do the same on cramped subs.
    Not even remotely the same.

    You are dealing with a crew of seven on a MUCH smaller vessel.

    Common Sense people.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not even remotely the same.

    You are dealing with a crew of seven on a MUCH smaller vessel.

    Common Sense people.
    Why, because they're officers and gentlemen; and know how to exercise self-discipline? Whereas enlisted personnel are the opposite and a bunch of uncouth scum with no self-disciple whatsoever?

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