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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Yeah, right...........
    You calling me a liar?

    Well, of course you are. I mean, if I wasn't impressed by your SEALS, I must be lying, right?

    Poor Navy, there, there. *pat pat*

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    We need to separate the conversation slightly...

    Women on subs is a "housing" and sex issue.

    Women in the infantry, et al is a physical issue.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    We need to separate the conversation slightly...

    Women on subs is a "housing" and sex issue.

    Women in the infantry, et al is a physical issue.
    What housing and what physical issues?

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    What housing and what physical issues?
    Yes, I want to know.

    What factors would stop them from hotbunking like and with every other enlisted person on the sub (assuming you have to hotbunk on said sub)?

    Because they are female?

    Because the others are male?

    Why?
    Education.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Yes, I want to know.

    What factors would stop them from hotbunking like and with every other enlisted person on the sub (assuming you have to hotbunk on said sub)?

    Because they are female?

    Because the others are male?

    Why?
    Indeed. If the women don't want to serve in close quarters with men without segregated quarters, then said women don't need to be on the sub. Or men, for that matter.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    You calling me a liar?

    Well, of course you are. I mean, if I wasn't impressed by your SEALS, I must be lying, right?

    Poor Navy, there, there. *pat pat*

    Nah, if it make you feel good go for it but there will be no women seals....take that to the bank,,,,,,,,
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Doesn't matter if you think they could or not. Doesn't matter even if none of them could. What matters is that they're at least given the chance to try.
    Agreed as long as the standards are the same for both men and women. I have seen some fire departments develop lesser standards for women firefighters. My stance if the job requires "X" to be done. Then anyone doing the job needs to be able to do it.

    To bring things to equal footing, why don't we have all women over 18be required to register for a military draft. Restart the draft, for women only for the number of years men had to be subject to a military draft.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    What housing?
    Women on a sub is a housing issue. Regardless of how you feel on the matter, having women on a submarine would create the problem of "where to put them". On a sub, all the guys use the same bathroom gay or straight. The need to create a separate bathroom(and once again, regardless of how you feel about it - it would have to happen as our military is not co-ed as far as those facilities are involved) would create an ergonomic issue for submarines that is simply more of a trouble than simply not letting women go on subs. It is not as simple as 'let the ones who want to do it, do it' because that is not how the military works. You have to change rules, regulations, see how those rules and regulations will affect others, etc etc etc. It is the reason Obama simply can't say "let gays serve". The courts have already ruled that it is not that simple.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Women on a sub is a housing issue. Regardless of how you feel on the matter, having women on a submarine would create the problem of "where to put them". On a sub, all the guys use the same bathroom gay or straight. The need to create a separate bathroom(and once again, regardless of how you feel about it - it would have to happen as our military is not co-ed as far as those facilities are involved) would create an ergonomic issue for submarines that is simply more of a trouble than simply not letting women go on subs.
    Yeah, that about sums it up.

    Women as Green Berets? They just can't hack it physically. Even if there was one woman who could, why change everything just for her?

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Nah, if it make you feel good go for it but there will be no women seals....take that to the bank,,,,,,,,
    If what makes me feel good? Go for what?

    And no, I won't take that to the bank since it would be a losing bet. If you guys REALLY think that no woman could EVER pass the SEAL training, they why haven't they opened it up for women to try? I mean... what's the harm? There's no risk, right? No woman could EVER succeed. Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Agreed as long as the standards are the same for both men and women. I have seen some fire departments develop lesser standards for women firefighters. My stance if the job requires "X" to be done. Then anyone doing the job needs to be able to do it.
    YES. When I was ROTC, I argued and argued with my CO about this very thing. That the women's requirements were less than the men's. I told him repeatedly that all that did was set women up for failure in the military and create a burden on the men. It was, and still is, completely unfair to both genders.

    To bring things to equal footing, why don't we have all women over 18be required to register for a military draft. Restart the draft, for women only for the number of years men had to be subject to a military draft.
    Absolutely.

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