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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Doesn't make it right or smart even if political pressure has forced women to serve in Ranger type roles.
    If a woman can pass the training, the same training as any man passes, why should she be exempted?

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    I think I read that women were allowed into Ranger training.



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    This is why Wiki is unreliable. This is absolutely false and I know that with 100% certainty.

    No woman has ever gone to U.S. Army Ranger school. No woman has ever served in the 75th Ranger Regiment.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    This is why Wiki is unreliable. This is absolutely false and I know that with 100% certainty.

    No woman has ever gone to U.S. Army Ranger school. No woman has ever served in the 75th Ranger Regiment.
    Can you say with equal certainty that women aren't allowed to take Ranger training?

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Can you say with equal certainty that women aren't allowed to take Ranger training?
    Yes, I can say with absolute 100% certainty that women are not, nor have ever been allowed to go to Ranger School or be assigned to the 75th Ranger Regiment.

    Where apdst? He can validate.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    This is why Wiki is unreliable. This is absolutely false and I know that with 100% certainty.

    No woman has ever gone to U.S. Army Ranger school. No woman has ever served in the 75th Ranger Regiment.
    Part of the relevant paragraph from the Wiki in question:
    Women enlisted soldiers are barred from serving in Infantry, Special Forces, however female enlisted members and officers can hold staff positions in every branch of the Army except infantry and armor. Women can however serve on the staffs of infantry and armor units at Division level and above, and be members of Special Operations Forces. Women can fly military aircraft and make up 2% of all pilots in the U.S. Military. Although Army regulations bar women from infantry assignments, some females are detailed to accompany male infantry units to handle searches of Iraqi women. Recently Rangers, the elite infantry force in the US Army, has been open to women.
    The last sentence, which I changed the color of, seems to have simply been tacked on to the end, and causes the whole paragraph to contradict itself.

    Not to mention, the grammar and word usage could use some work.

    I would bet that this is changed soon, by someone.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Part of the relevant paragraph from the Wiki in question:
    The last sentence, which I changed the color of, seems to have simply been tacked on to the end, and causes the whole paragraph to contradict itself.

    Not to mention, the grammar and word usage could use some work.

    I would bet that this is changed soon, by someone.
    Yeah, because it's wrong. Rangers are not and have not and will not ever be open to females.

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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    If a woman can pass the training, the same training as any man passes, why should she be exempted?
    It's just the training it's the interationships, the effects upon men and their families and biology. I also just do not philosophically believe that women should be serving in combat. I realize that the Soviet Union had women ( mostly Russian women) serving during WW II but do we want to be like those Russians ? We are a cilvized people let's behave like it.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Can you say with equal certainty that women aren't allowed to take Ranger training?
    I think there is some kind of law in pretty much every branch of the military that says that women can not be in units which would be first in. I remember reading something to that effect on AFL.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Females serving on a sub would not work. Same goes for infantry, armor and artillery. You have to be able to preform every job as a member of the team. Very few women would be able to fill this requirement. Not to mention the "relaxed" physical requirements for female troops.

    Not realistic at all.
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    Re: Navy will soon let women serve on subs

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Yeah, because it's wrong. Rangers are not and have not and will not ever be open to females.
    It's never a good idea to make absolute statements.

    Interestingly enough, from the same Wiki:
    US Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus stated October 8, 2009 that allowing women to serve on submarines is "an idea whose time has come" - and he said he sees no big hurdles to making it happen. Mabus has given no timeline for when women could begin serving, saying several steps must first be taken. They include devising an implementation process, notifying Congress of the plan and having the prospective female submariners complete the required nuclear training.
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