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    Re: Scott Brown helps Democrats advance jobs bill

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    New senator helps Democrats advance jobs bill - Yahoo! News



    As I said before. Massachusetts doesn't elect conservatives.
    Yet the conservative republicans were stupid enough to push Mitt Romney as some kind of desirable candidate.

    Fortunately, in the next election we've got his irrelevant religion out of the way (I mean that it's irrelevant to his job as potential president, it's not like he's spent two decades willingly absorbing racist crap from Reverend Wright. He's just a harmless Mormon.) so in the next election cycle we can hopefully get to see what he's actually done.

    Like signing a compusory insurance bill for Massachusetts. That no one liked, so they expressed their dislike of it's cousin, Messiah Care, by sending a Republican to fill Drunken Teddy's old seat.

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    Re: UPDATE 1-New U.S. senator helps Democrats advance jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Maybe if the Democrats start voting Republicans into office the Democratic agenda will actually succeed.
    No.

    The only thing the Democrat agenda can do is pass.

    If the goal of the agenda is national improvement, well, it's a Democrat agenda and that's just not going to happen.

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    Re: Senate advances jobs bill after collecting five GOP votes

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    so unemployed people who cannot find a job are immature socialists dolts who lost their jobs because of a nanny state huh? nice to know.
    If they're still hoping the government is going to burp them and change their diapers for them, yes, they're immature dolts.

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    Its easy to live in the land of hyperbole isnt it?
    Don't know, I'm not a Democrat, I live in America, the land where men take care of their own by themselves.

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    Re: Senate advances jobs bill after collecting five GOP votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If they're still hoping the government is going to burp them and change their diapers for them, yes, they're immature dolts.
    I am sure that almost every unemployed person out there is hoping to find a job, and would much rather the government not have to butt in to accomplish this.


    Don't know, I'm not a Democrat, I live in America, the land where men take care of their own by themselves.
    because unemployment is only a Democratic affliction, the Republicans can all take care of themselves, and are not out of work cuz they live in America.

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    Re: Senate advances jobs bill after collecting five GOP votes

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    For what its worth, both sides had already stepped across party lines and put together a bipartisan bill. Then Harry Reid dumped it because he was worried it would hurt the Dems in the 2010 elections.

    Reid's about-face stuns Dems, W.H. - POLITICO.com Print View
    Ya, I was pretty mad about that. And then Hatch decided he was going to vote against a bill that still had his proposal because of Reids actions. I would have preferred the larger bill that reid scrapped as well. However, it still worked out, and 5 republicans voted across the party line. I commend them for that.

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    Re: Senate advances jobs bill after collecting five GOP votes

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I am sure that almost every unemployed person out there is hoping to find a job, and would much rather the government not have to butt in to accomplish this.
    Yeah, don't count on that.

    They wanted the government to butt in, and thus the economy collapsed.

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    because unemployment is only a Democratic affliction, the Republicans can all take care of themselves, and are not out of work cuz they live in America.
    Yeah, that might be true. Certainly if I was going to lay people off I'd check the parking lot for Obama stickers.

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    Re: Senate advances jobs bill after collecting five GOP votes

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The Democrats garnered 5 Republican votes on this. One of those votes was Scott Brown. I am truly disappointed.

    Here is my problem with the bill -

    The Democrats want to give tax breaks to businesses for hiring workers. The problem here is that, if businesses hire workers for the tax break, when consumer demand is down, then the tax break is for nothing. It is a huge waste of taxpayer money, and nothing else. It's like a proposal, made decades ago, that we can bring ourselves out of a recession by paying workers at one company to build refrigerators, pay more workers to transport the refrigerators to another plant, where more workers are paid to destroy those refrigerators. This bill, sent to the floor by Harry Reid, is pure idiocy, and it looks like this idiocy is going to pass.

    I am very surprised that even ONE Republican supported this government sponsored insanity, but FIVE?? WTF????

    Article is here.
    I thought Republicans loved any excuse to cut taxes.....

    Sorry, but you have a fatal flaw in your argument as the tax credits only partially subsidize hiring. No employer is going to make the hire unless they need the person. This credit only helps give the employer just a bit more confidence to make an investment decision that may need just the little extra push (lowering the cost in the cost/benefit analysis). It will not radically change the economics of any business decision. The employee, OTH, is off the public payroll (if previously unemployed) and paying taxes, presumably more than the credits given for his hire and spending money. I thought this was exactly what the Republicans wanted?

    The Republicans did not vote FOR The measure, only that debate can proceed. They have been abusing the fillibuster to this point. Its good to see an instance where they are letting the work of congress proceed. Like the bill or not, it has sufficient merit for a good debate.

    The use of the fillibuster to block everything from the Democrats is an abuse of power, and should be considered irresponsible at least (blocking the work of duly elected officials and failing to appropriately deal with the issues of the day) to treasonous at most (willfully putting US security and welfare at risk.)
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    Re: Senate advances jobs bill after collecting five GOP votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    ...jesus christ. Tax breaks for small businesses, and Republicans are vehemently against it.

    You really will convince yourself via any means possible that anything the democrats do is BAD!
    Tax breaks aren't going to improve the job market.
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    Re: Senate advances jobs bill after collecting five GOP votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    ...jesus christ. Tax breaks for small businesses, and Republicans are vehemently against it.

    You really will convince yourself via any means possible that anything the democrats do is BAD!
    This is just a tax break for hiring people.

    It doesn't do anything to increase demand, there is no reason to hire someone if you don't need them to do anything.
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    Re: Senate advances jobs bill after collecting five GOP votes

    We have to consider the timing (and scope) of this bill. How long are the tax incentives going to last? At this point, firms are (if they are in operation) assuming highly liquid positions which begs for a major uptick in capital investment. Given the relatively low user cost of capital, such a tax break can give an improving job market some much needed momentum.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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