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    Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy - Yahoo! News

    Last month, President Obama scolded Republicans in Congress for playing both sides when it came to last year's economic stimulus plan. Addressing a group of House Republicans at a retreat in Baltimore, the president accused many in the group of outright hypocrisy, saying, "A lot of you have gone to appear at ribbon cuttings for the same projects that you voted against." Many Obama supporters have levied similar criticisms, and now at least one prominent Republican politician is joining in on the chorus: California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    Appearing on ABC's "This Week," Schwarzenegger praised the "terrific" effect of the influx of federal dollars into his financially troubled state, and chided Republicans who've tried to play both sides of the fence.

    "I find it interesting that you have a lot of the Republicans running around and pushing back on the stimulus money and saying this doesn't create any new jobs," he said. "And then they go out and they do the photo ops and they are posing with the big check and they say, 'isn't this great?'"
    ****ing Right. Some republicans seem to only oppose pork when they are in Washington. Then when they go back home they take credit for bringing money back to their states. Same go for these "conservative" blue dog democrats who complain about spending but take the money anyway. Actions speak louder than words in this world.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

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    ****ing Right. Some republicans seem to only oppose pork when they are in Washington. Then when they go back home they take credit for bringing money back to their states. Same go for these "conservative" blue dog democrats who complain about spending but take the money anyway. Actions speak louder than words in this world.
    That whole train of argument is so incredibly ridiculous. The fact that you opposed the passage of a $850b bill means that once the bill is passed, you cannot express support for any of the individual results of that bill?

    Let's say that under Bush, the Republicans passed an $850b bill that did thousands of things - cut taxes for the wealthy, increased funding for Iraq, deregulated the banks, set aside money to build roads, gave billions to build community hospitals, and jacked up funding for the national park system. Say you're a liberal Democrat who opposes the bill because you think that it gives way too much money to the rich, wrongly ramps up the war in Iraq, and will hurt the budget overall. Does that mean that you can't be pleased about a brand new wildlife reserve that opens up in your district? You can't show up at the ribbon cutting for that community health clinic? You can't take a picture in a hard hat down at the bridge building site?

    If a politician opposed the stimulus because he said it was giving too much money to his district, in particular to a worthless plan to build a train station, then celebrating the opening of that train station would make that politician a hypocrite. Short of that, this is just age-old namecalling.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

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    That whole train of argument is so incredibly ridiculous. The fact that you opposed the passage of a $850b bill means that once the bill is passed, you cannot express support for any of the individual results of that bill?
    In a short word : Yes.

    That is exactly what it means. You can't take credit for things you opposed from the start. It is quite dishonest.

    Let's say that under Bush, the Republicans passed an $850b bill that did thousands of things - cut taxes for the wealthy, increased funding for Iraq, deregulated the banks, set aside money to build roads, gave billions to build community hospitals, and jacked up funding for the national park system. Say you're a liberal Democrat who opposes the bill because you think that it gives way too much money to the rich, wrongly ramps up the war in Iraq, and will hurt the budget overall. Does that mean that you can't be pleased about a brand new wildlife reserve that opens up in your district? You can't show up at the ribbon cutting for that community health clinic? You can't take a picture in a hard hat down at the bridge building site?
    Yes. If I oppose a bill. I oppose the entire bill. Not just the parts which do not benefit me. But then again I'm all for people being consistent.

    If a politician opposed the stimulus because he said it was giving too much money to his district, in particular to a worthless plan to build a train station, then celebrating the opening of that train station would make that politician a hypocrite? Short of that, this is just age-old namecalling.
    Yes. Yes a thousand times yes.

    You can not pretend you hate pork and then decide to take credit for it when it benefits you. That is called hypocrisy. Regardless of who does. Liberal, Democrat, Conservative or Republican. If you can not understand the basis of the word hypocrite then I can not help you. If you believe in do as I say not as I do then that is fine. But it shows weak moral fiber.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    In a short word : Yes.

    That is exactly what it means. You can't take credit for things you opposed from the start. It is quite dishonest.

    Yes. If I oppose a bill. I oppose the entire bill. Not just the parts which do not benefit me. But then again I'm all for people being consistent.

    Yes. Yes a thousand times yes.

    You can not pretend you hate pork and then decide to take credit for it when it benefits you. That is called hypocrisy. Regardless of who does. Liberal, Democrat, Conservative or Republican. If you can not understand the basis of the word hypocrite then I can not help you. If you believe in do as I say not as I do then that is fine. But it shows weak moral fiber.
    I just don't understand how that's hypocrisy. Say you oppose that bill because you want to cut the spending on the war and double the money spent in your district on hospitals. You're saying that you don't get to celebrate the opening of local hospitals despite the fact that you're a long-time supporter of those hospitals and tried to get them even more funding?
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I just don't understand how that's hypocrisy. Say you oppose that bill because you want to cut the spending on the war and double the money spent in your district on hospitals. You're saying that you don't get to celebrate the opening of local hospitals despite the fact that you're a long-time supporter of those hospitals and tried to get them even more funding?
    That is not what the article is talking about. The article is talking about the money in the stimulus bill. The fact that Republicans opposed it at every turn and then went back and tried to take credit for the good results it had and the money it gave to their states is what is being talked about.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    That whole train of argument is so incredibly ridiculous. The fact that you opposed the passage of a $850b bill means that once the bill is passed, you cannot express support for any of the individual results of that bill?
    Correct. You can't.

    Those Republicans who have blasted the ARRA but turn around and do these photo ops really should be ashamed of themselves. You can't have it both ways on this issue. Either it was a good bill that has shown dividens in communities across the country or it has not. Either it has been a worthwhile effort or it has not. Either it has created jobs and generated revenue for some cities and small towns or it has not. Either you're for it or you're against it. And if you're against it, you shouldn't be attending these ribbon cutting ceremonies and photo ops where you as a politician get props for "securing funding" through the very legistlation you opposed in the first place. It's very hypocritical to play up local support for projects that either got off the ground or received additional funding towards its completion through the ARRA while also denouncing the bill in whole or in part.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    A few facts to keep in mind here.

    #1. Arnold is a RINO not a real republican, and most certainly no Conservative.

    #2. Arnold is an Obama apologist and has been from the beginning, the idiot even fell for the Global Warming HOAX.

    #3. Of the $787 billion appropriated only 1/3 of it has been spent and much of it used to pay off special interests and to promote Socialism which Obama loves.

    #4. Pork is a and has been a fact of Washington life and one mans pork is another mans constituents benefits.

    #5. Arnold is most likely going to go directly from Sacramento to the Obama Administration.

    I wish Gray Davis had been smarter because it would have made it possible for the people of California not to look like fools for electing Arnold.

    It would be better if everyone were to be consistent and I think everyone agrees hypocrisy is problem but it's a toss up whether Arnold's variety is the same or worse than others.

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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    A few facts to keep in mind here.

    #1. Arnold is a RINO not a real republican, and most certainly no Conservative.

    #2. Arnold is an Obama apologist and has been from the beginning, the idiot even fell for the Global Warming HOAX.

    #3. Of the $787 billion appropriated only 1/3 of it has been spent and much of it used to pay off special interests and to promote Socialism which Obama loves.

    #4. Pork is a and has been a fact of Washington life and one mans pork is another mans constituents benefits.

    #5. Arnold is most likely going to go directly from Sacramento to the Obama Administration.

    I wish Gray Davis had been smarter because it would have made it possible for the people of California not to look like fools for electing Arnold.

    It would be better if everyone were to be consistent and I think everyone agrees hypocrisy is problem but it's a toss up whether Arnold's variety is the same or worse than others.
    A single thing to keep in mind.

    Republican congressman go and claim the stimulus isn't creating jobs and then hold up a giant novelty check and give a speech about the jobs it will create.

    Jesus Christ this isn't that hard to understand.

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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

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    ****ing Right. Some republicans seem to only oppose pork when they are in Washington. Then when they go back home they take credit for bringing money back to their states. Same go for these "conservative" blue dog democrats who complain about spending but take the money anyway. Actions speak louder than words in this world.
    I'm a registered Republican, and I agree with Hatuey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    A few facts to keep in mind here.

    #1. Arnold is a RINO not a real republican, and most certainly no Conservative.

    #2. Arnold is an Obama apologist and has been from the beginning, the idiot even fell for the Global Warming HOAX.

    #3. Of the $787 billion appropriated only 1/3 of it has been spent and much of it used to pay off special interests and to promote Socialism which Obama loves.

    #4. Pork is a and has been a fact of Washington life and one mans pork is another mans constituents benefits.

    #5. Arnold is most likely going to go directly from Sacramento to the Obama Administration.

    I wish Gray Davis had been smarter because it would have made it possible for the people of California not to look like fools for electing Arnold.

    It would be better if everyone were to be consistent and I think everyone agrees hypocrisy is problem but it's a toss up whether Arnold's variety is the same or worse than others.
    Attacking the messenger doesn't invalidate the message.

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