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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Actually underfunded education and highway systems are a sign that we're undertaxed.
    We don't have an underfunded education system.

    I won't even mention the fact that the US Constitution does not allow the federal government to fund public education.

    Highway programs are "underfunded" solely because the politicians steal the gasoline taxes to pay for their bull**** projects instead.

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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    That's it right there, folks. I could take Reps going on these photo ops if they'd just admit that the ARRA has done some good things in their state in some small measure, but that's really not what Reps are saying about it. Their game plan is to continue denouncing the bill as a waste of taxpayer money instead of speaking up about anything good that has come out of the pet projects the ARRA clearly helped to complete or save. That's where I get so tic'd off at about the Reps on this issue.
    The bill is a waste of taxpayer money, or more precisely, Chinese money, that we have to pay back someday. The cost for jobs "created" or (ahem) "saved" is exorbitant and more people would benefit if the unemployed were simply given bigger checks.

    The country doesn't need more government employees, the country needs a growing economy. And that's achieved by across the board tax cuts.

    Deficits are failures to rein in spending, not evidence of insufficient taxation.

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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    A few facts to keep in mind here.

    #1. Arnold is a RINO not a real republican, and most certainly no Conservative.

    #2. Arnold is an Obama apologist and has been from the beginning, the idiot even fell for the Global Warming HOAX.

    #3. Of the $787 billion appropriated only 1/3 of it has been spent and much of it used to pay off special interests and to promote Socialism which Obama loves.

    #4. Pork is a and has been a fact of Washington life and one mans pork is another mans constituents benefits.

    #5. Arnold is most likely going to go directly from Sacramento to the Obama Administration.

    I wish Gray Davis had been smarter because it would have made it possible for the people of California not to look like fools for electing Arnold.

    It would be better if everyone were to be consistent and I think everyone agrees hypocrisy is problem but it's a toss up whether Arnold's variety is the same or worse than others.
    You know, Arnold got elected because the Republican party supported him. There were SEVERAL Conservative candidates to pick from, and at least 2 of them could have beaten Davis handily, as unpopular he was. But Republicans picked Arnold. Then, after election day, Republicans crowed about a Republican winning the governorship of California. Now they bash Arnold, and call him a RINO. RINO, compared to what? To all those Republicans who supported him? Yea, right.

    Republicans - Here is the deal. You made your bed by supporting Arnold. You do not have the right to bash him, since you strongly supported him, and the only reason you supported him was because he decided to have an "R" next to his name. Did you look at his ideology? NO. Did you look at what he supported? NO. Did you look at the "R" after his name. Absolutely. It is the ONLY thing you looked at, and you kicked LEGITIMATE Conservative candidates to the curb in the process. But keep whining, and choose not to accept responsibility for what you supported. But it is all YOUR fault that Arnold is where he is, and it is all YOUR fault for what he is doing. Cry me a river. I don't buy it.

    NOTE: This post is not directed at Councilman, nor any other specific person, but is directed at the Republican party in General. They made their bed with Arnold. Now they will have to lie in it.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The bill is a waste of taxpayer money, or more precisely, Chinese money, that we have to pay back someday. The cost for jobs "created" or (ahem) "saved" is exorbitant and more people would benefit if the unemployed were simply given bigger checks.

    The country doesn't need more government employees, the country needs a growing economy. And that's achieved by across the board tax cuts.

    Deficits are failures to rein in spending, not evidence of insufficient taxation.
    First off, unemployment compensation is governed by the individual states, not the government.

    Second, if you truly understood our economic situation one year ago when the ARRA was passed, you and others who oppose it wouldn't be making such statements. I agree that the ARRA was mostly directed at state and federal government entities, but since most every state was suffering financially and corporate American couldn't fix itself, it made sense to funnel monies to state and federal gov't projects in an effort to atleast spur the economy. The hope, of course, was to limit unemployment and spur job growth. That didn't quite work out as planned, but I think in the long term w/funding going to some of the infrustructure projects I identify below, job growth will come in time and people will be thankful the ARRA was passed.

    Third, the idea of the ARRA wasn't to cut taxes but to help states either start or complete infrustructure projects, i.e., road, bridge, air port (re)construction, high-speed rail initiatives, foster tourism, improve urban and rural housing development, etc., etc. Most people (and politicians) who oppose the ARRA focus on the first 4 items and forget about the rest because they don't create this aura of sensationalism or give the appearance of "wasteful spending". Granted, some of that (wasteful spending) has taken place, but as we can all attest to from recent local and national media reports on ribbon cutting ceremonies, some communities have benefited from funding from the ARRA that obviously helped state and local governments and/or private businesses complete projects or start or reopen businesses. So, the ARRA hasn't been the wasted effort many people would like to label it.

    Finally, to the deficit, Pres. Obama tried to form a panel that would review government spending, but was shot down mostly by members from the very political party that talks big about financial oversight. Thus, he had to go it alone. I'm sure he'll be heavily criticised for it, but sometimes you gotta do whatcha gotta go even in the face of opposition.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    We don't have an underfunded education system.

    I won't even mention the fact that the US Constitution does not allow the federal government to fund public education.

    Highway programs are "underfunded" solely because the politicians steal the gasoline taxes to pay for their bull**** projects instead.
    .... so explain to me how public education does not fit "general welfare."
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    .... so explain to me how public education does not fit "general welfare."
    Why don't you tell us what doesn't fit into General Welfare, I'm sure you list would be much shorter.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why don't you tell us what doesn't fit into General Welfare, I'm sure you list would be much shorter.
    No, how about you explain to me why you think poor people shouldn't be educated.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, how about you explain to me why you think poor people shouldn't be educated.
    How do you know what I think?
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, how about you explain to me why you think poor people shouldn't be educated.
    Whether poor people should be educated (or whether any other policy should exist) is entirely irrelevant to the question of how the general welfare clause should be interpreted.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    He can't correctly answer my question.
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