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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    /me smacks head, rolls eyes

    Republicans who claim that the bill created no jobs are not entitled to claim to their constituents that they created jobs.

    When they do, they are hypocrites.
    Which is in no way incompatible with any of my posts.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Greg Mankiw's Blog: An Illogical Attack on the GOP

    "Let me offer an analogy. Many Democratic congressmen opposed the Bush tax cuts. That was based, I presume, on their honest assessment of the policy. But once these tax cuts were passed, I bet these congressmen paid lower taxes. I bet they did not offer to hand the Treasury the extra taxes they would have owed at the previous tax rates. Would it make sense for the GOP to suggest that these Democrats were disingenuous or hypocritical? I don't think so. Many times, we as individuals benefit from policies we opposed. There is nothing wrong about that."
    However, I do think that if the stimulus has done some good in the congressmans area, he/she should at least be honest and say so. I mean people saying it hasn't made one job...come on. If you disagree with why we did it thats fine, but don't lie about what has really happened.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Appearing on ABC's "This Week," Schwarzenegger praised the "terrific" effect of the influx of federal dollars into his financially troubled state, and chided Republicans who've tried to play both sides of the fence.
    Only one problem, Arnold...the effect is only temporary. Federal dollars are not going to cure our state.

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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    A few facts to keep in mind here.

    #1. Arnold is a RINO not a real republican, and most certainly no Conservative.

    #2. Arnold is an Obama apologist and has been from the beginning, the idiot even fell for the Global Warming HOAX.

    #3. Of the $787 billion appropriated only 1/3 of it has been spent and much of it used to pay off special interests and to promote Socialism which Obama loves.

    #4. Pork is a and has been a fact of Washington life and one mans pork is another mans constituents benefits.

    #5. Arnold is most likely going to go directly from Sacramento to the Obama Administration.

    I wish Gray Davis had been smarter because it would have made it possible for the people of California not to look like fools for electing Arnold.

    It would be better if everyone were to be consistent and I think everyone agrees hypocrisy is problem but it's a toss up whether Arnold's variety is the same or worse than others.
    I'm not so hard on the govenor. He started out okay. He just crumbled to his insane constituency and the legislators we keep in office.

    It doesn't matter who is the govenor. The legislators are killing the state because far too many of the people who put them there want their stuff. We aren't willing to do with less.

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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Correct. You can't.

    Those Republicans who have blasted the ARRA but turn around and do these photo ops really should be ashamed of themselves. You can't have it both ways on this issue. Either it was a good bill that has shown dividens in communities across the country or it has not. Either it has been a worthwhile effort or it has not. Either it has created jobs and generated revenue for some cities and small towns or it has not. Either you're for it or you're against it. And if you're against it, you shouldn't be attending these ribbon cutting ceremonies and photo ops where you as a politician get props for "securing funding" through the very legistlation you opposed in the first place. It's very hypocritical to play up local support for projects that either got off the ground or received additional funding towards its completion through the ARRA while also denouncing the bill in whole or in part.
    That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If you support some small part of a bill, you can't even oppose it in part?

    The stimulus bill didn't do one thing, it spent money on many, many things. It is ridiculous to think that people have to agree with either all of those things or none of them. Not only is there a gray area, but everything is in the gray area.

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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Arnold believes in tax and spend I just watched the idiot say so and you can see it too if you watch the video. He's a progressive and a RINO and that is not good.

    Someone said Arnold started of good and went bad. Well I'm sorry you could argue that some really bad people were elected to office because they seemed to look good on paper but went bad in the end.

    The point is the over all actions and the results of the errors in the end. The beginning is meaningless by the time you get to where California is.

    Arnold has refused to act to stop the destruction of the Central Valley Farmers of California and I personally know for a fact it could have been done, but by not acting the economy is dying and the jobs are going away and the prices of everything in the state will be effected and food prices will go up in every state all because Arnold did nothing. He bowed to a tiny useless fish and refused to sand up to those who want the destruction of the whole economy which is Obama's plan.

    Starting out good means nothing if you can't finish strong doing the right thing.

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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    That whole train of argument is so incredibly ridiculous. The fact that you opposed the passage of a $850b bill means that once the bill is passed, you cannot express support for any of the individual results of that bill?
    Depends on what you said when you opposed it. If you claimed that you voted against it because it will help destroy America, you are a flaming hypocrite for praising it when it helps your state. If you argued that the method of financing was bad, then not so much.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Arnold believes in tax and spend I just watched the idiot say so and you can see it too if you watch the video. He's a progressive and a RINO and that is not good.
    Okay...what's wrong with meeting every dollar of expenditure with a dollar of revenue?

    Tax and spend is a hell of alot more responsible then spend and borrow.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Okay...what's wrong with meeting every dollar of expenditure with a dollar of revenue?

    Tax and spend is a hell of alot more responsible then spend and borrow.
    Sorry but what is needed is not any more spending it helps nothing in the long term it only hurts more.

    Taxes need to be cut history is clear that cutting taxes works to improve the economy and adding taxes kill growth.

    So what is needed it cut taxes and reduce spending and stop all borrowing on our grandchildren's future, then the economy might have a chance.

    If Obama ans Arnold get their way the economy is dead for as far as the eye can see.

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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And like I noted here, individual politicians who do that are being hypocrites. That has nothing to do with what we're discussing, which is whether you can oppose the bill as a whole and then celebrate any portion of it.

    Try reading the rest of the thread before posting.
    RNYC,

    I hear what you're saying, but here's where I have a problem with what the Republicans are doing concerning the ARRA.

    I'm not hearing Republicans say they opposed certain portions of the ARRA; I'm hearing that they (or most of them anyway) thought it was a total waste of tax payer money - PERIOD! As such, those who truly opposed it on such grounds should NOT be accepting funds for it or supporting projects it helped foster. That's the hypocrisy most of us see; you can't go around taunting legistlation as being a total waste but then go around applauding the very projects the so-called "wasteful spending" funded and brought to completion.

    Republicans have tried to get around accepting ARRA funding for projects in their state by using the very argument you're using - that it's ok to accept funding from legistlation you opposed even in-parts as long as the funding proved to be beneficial to state and local communities within their constituency. That's hypocrisy of the worst kind! It's even worse when they claim it hasn't produced jobs (or would rather skirt around the jobs issue by saying it hasn't measured up to creating the amount of jobs the President claimed it would which I can agree with even though it's dirty pool). Yet, it's funny how most of these ribbon cutting ceremonies seem to be associated with a business of some kind that will either employ new workers or re-employ some who had been laid off. But Republicans keep saying how the ARRA hasn't produced job outside of state and federal agencies. Please... The number of jobs created in commercial sectors may not be anywhere near what was originally projected, but jobs have been created or saved and the Reps who have attended this ribbon cutting ceremonies know it. But they'll keep playing their partisian tricks as long as it keeps them in Congress.
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