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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goyboy View Post
    Attacking the messenger doesn't invalidate the message.
    It really does in conservative world.

    I know it isn't all of you guys, but goddamn sometimes it really seems that way.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    When you publicly criticize and ridicule the bill, but privately request funds...well you can call it what you will.

    The requests to Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack were obtained through the Freedom of Information Act,

    On Feb. 13, 2009, Sen. Robert F. Bennett, Utah Republican, issued a statement criticizing the stimulus — but two days earlier, he privately forwarded to Mr. Vilsack a list of projects seeking stimulus money.

    "I believe the addition of federal funds to these projects would maximize the stimulative effect of these projects on the local economy," he wrote.
    Sen. Mike Johanns, who took office last year from Nebraska, predicted that "the money would simply never reach the economy."
    [...]
    "The proposed project would create 38 new jobs and bring broadband to eight hospitals, five colleges, 16 libraries and 161 K-12 schools," Mr. Johanns wrote.
    Sen. Lamar Alexander, Tennessee Republican, who easily won re-election in 2008, said of the stimulus, "This is spending, not stimulus."

    In a letter to Mr. Vilsack for a project applying for stimulus money, Mr. Alexander noted, "It is anticipated that the project will create over 200 jobs in the first year and at least another 40 new jobs in the following years."
    Rep. John Linder, Georgia Republican, posted a blog item on his Web site on Oct. 21, stating that recent unemployment figures "only reinforce the fact that the $787 billion 'stimulus' signed into law eight months ago has done nothing for job growth in this country."

    Two weeks earlier, Mr. Linder had sent a letter to Mr. Vilsack backing an application for stimulus money by the Elauwit Community Foundation, records show. With unemployment in Georgia topping 10 percent, "the employment opportunities created by this program would be quickly utilized," Mr. Linder wrote.
    Rep. Robert B. Aderholt, Alabama Republican, also voted against and criticized the stimulus.

    "Rather than create jobs or stimulate the economy, this massive spending bill was a laundry list of programs that focused on states with big-city urban communities," he wrote in the Oct. 4 edition of the Daily Mountain Eagle newspaper.

    Three days later, Mr. Aderholt sent a letter to Mr. Vilsack on behalf of a foundation seeking stimulus money to expand broadband services in his district.
    Stimulus foes see value in seeking cash - Washington Times
    “We just simply don’t know how to govern” - Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) a member of the House Budget Committee

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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That is not what the article is talking about. The article is talking about the money in the stimulus bill. The fact that Republicans opposed it at every turn and then went back and tried to take credit for the good results it had and the money it gave to their states is what is being talked about.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Correct. You can't.

    Those Republicans who have blasted the ARRA but turn around and do these photo ops really should be ashamed of themselves. You can't have it both ways on this issue. Either it was a good bill that has shown dividens in communities across the country or it has not. Either it has been a worthwhile effort or it has not. Either it has created jobs and generated revenue for some cities and small towns or it has not. Either you're for it or you're against it. And if you're against it, you shouldn't be attending these ribbon cutting ceremonies and photo ops where you as a politician get props for "securing funding" through the very legistlation you opposed in the first place. It's very hypocritical to play up local support for projects that either got off the ground or received additional funding towards its completion through the ARRA while also denouncing the bill in whole or in part.
    When $850b of spending gets lumped together into one omnibus spending bill, it's just absurd to say that you have to uniformly support or oppose every portion of the bill. That's just not how legislation develops. Never in the history of Congress has there been a bill where every supporter agreed on every part and every opponent opposed every part, so trying to hold legislators to some artificial standard is ridiculous.

    Even more ridiculous is to say that once the decision to spend the money is made, officials who opposed the bill can't then turn around and have a hand in where it goes. If I'm a politician opposed to the stimulus because I think it will add too much to the debt, and it gets passed over my objections, I should then turn around and tell Congress that I don't want them to send any of it to my district? That's just naive.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    When $850b of spending gets lumped together into one omnibus spending bill, it's just absurd to say that you have to uniformly support or oppose every portion of the bill. That's just not how legislation develops. Never in the history of Congress has there been a bill where every supporter agreed on every part and every opponent opposed every part, so trying to hold legislators to some artificial standard is ridiculous.

    Even more ridiculous is to say that once the decision to spend the money is made, officials who opposed the bill can't then turn around and have a hand in where it goes. If I'm a politician opposed to the stimulus because I think it will add too much to the debt, and it gets passed over my objections, I should then turn around and tell Congress that I don't want them to send any of it to my district? That's just naive.
    You aren't listening. They're bragging about the jobs this funding will create while simultaneously going on TV and saying it hasn't done anything.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You aren't listening. They're bragging about the jobs this funding will create while simultaneously going on TV and saying it hasn't done anything.
    And like I noted here, individual politicians who do that are being hypocrites. That has nothing to do with what we're discussing, which is whether you can oppose the bill as a whole and then celebrate any portion of it.

    Try reading the rest of the thread before posting.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    … Try reading the rest of the thread before posting.
    /me smacks head, rolls eyes

    Republicans who claim that the bill created no jobs are not entitled to claim to their constituents that they created jobs.

    When they do, they are hypocrites.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    In a short word : Yes.

    That is exactly what it means. You can't take credit for things you opposed from the start. It is quite dishonest.
    You mean like when Joe Biden and his boss the Messiah took credit for the successes George Bush gave them in Iraq?

    Oh.

    You only get excited when it's a Leftist Republican showing Leftist hypocrisy, but it's different when your Messiah does the exact same thing.

    Guess that makes you a hypocrite, too.

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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You mean like when Joe Biden and his boss the Messiah took credit for the successes George Bush gave them in Iraq?

    Oh.

    You only get excited when it's a Leftist Republican showing Leftist hypocrisy, but it's different when your Messiah does the exact same thing.

    Guess that makes you a hypocrite, too.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You can not pretend you hate pork and then decide to take credit for it when it benefits you. That is called hypocrisy.
    I can't think of anything better than to oppose something the supermajority party steam-rolled over me than to take credit from them and thereby aid my chances of keeping one of them out of office.

    Just in case you haven't noticed, the Stimulus Porkulus hasn't worked, and just in case Schwarzenegger failed to notice, California is going to be showing another 25 billion dollar deficit again. So Arnie needs to stop whining and start cutting. He played a horrible Conan, but still, if he swung that bastard sword around some, he'd have to cut something out of the budget, right?

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    Re: Schwarzenegger hammers fellow Republicans over stimulus hypocrisy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Found out who Malcolm X is Mr. Uninformed or will you continue trolling?
    Nope, who's Malcolm the Tenth? What did Malcolm the First do? Was Malcolm the Second any good, or was he sloppy, and what does any of that have to do with the fact that the Messiah opposed Iraq and claimed credit for Bush's success when His Holiness did nothing Himself to secure victory in Iraq?
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