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    Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    From Brianna Keilar, CNN congressional correspondent
    February 19, 2010 12:25 p.m. EST

    Washington (CNN) -- An unlikely sponsor at this year's annual conservative conference is hoping to not only promote the issues that set it apart from many Republicans, but also draw attention to the beliefs they share.

    The group is called GOProud -- a name that combines GOP and gay pride. So far, the group is getting a mixed response at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

    GOProud was founded by former members of the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay and lesbian Republican grass-roots organization.

    GOProud has a booth at CPAC just two spaces away from the exhibition for the National Organization for Marriage, which wants the government to define marriage as between a man and a woman.
    Interesting--I wouldn't say this constitutes conservatives redefining themselves, as there were some not happy with the group, however, Cheney's comments on DADT and the presence of the this group at CPAC are steps in the right direction as far as getting more in touch with the mainstream and the next generation of voters.

    I've never understood the Fiscal/Social dichotomy in modern conservatism. Fiscal wants less government involvement. Social wants government involved in certain aspects of people's lives.

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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I've never understood the Fiscal/Social dichotomy in modern conservatism. Fiscal wants less government involvement. Social wants government involved in certain aspects of people's lives.
    They combined so conservatives had a chance to get elected. It's called Duverger's Law. Basically, it states that when we have a winner-take-all electoral system, that is whoever gets the most votes wins the office, a two-party system naturally emerges to prevent spoiler votes.

    Say that Fiscal Conservatives made one party, Social Conservatives made another party, and both had to compete with the Democrats. Fiscal Conservatives would get 30% of the vote, Social Conservatives would get 30% of the vote, and Democrats would get 40% of the vote, thus causing Democrats to win the seat despite 60% of the voters being conservative of one form or another.

    So all conservatives join up together under one broad party as the Republicans to compete with the broad party of the Democrats. If we implemented some kind of proportional system or a system that allowed third-parties to compete, such as IRV, then they could split and each political faction could form their own separate party on which they can campaign.

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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Say that Fiscal Conservatives made one party, Social Conservatives made another party, and both had to compete with the Democrats. Fiscal Conservatives would get 30% of the vote, Social Conservatives would get 30% of the vote, and Democrats would get 40% of the vote, thus causing Democrats to win the seat despite 60% of the voters being conservative of one form or another.
    I understand what you're saying about the 2-party system, however, if you account for independents, centrists, moderates--I think a fiscal conservative party that focuses on limiting the role of federal government would attack this giant 'swing' vote.

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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I understand what you're saying about the 2-party system, however, if you account for independents, centrists, moderates--I think a fiscal conservative party that focuses on limiting the role of federal government would attack this giant 'swing' vote.
    Not if it splits the conservative vote so much that Democrats would win.

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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    I was just watching someone who objected to the presence of GoPride. He was very in their face about it.

    I've never understood that dichotomy either. I've attempted discussions on other political forums with conservatives regarding that, but they usually avoided direct comment or just never replied.

    The GOP may make room under their tent for the new version of Log Cabin Republicans, but if GoPride has a pro-gay rights agenda, I can't imagine they would get very far with it.

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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I was just watching someone who objected to the presence of GoPride. He was very in their face about it.

    I've never understood that dichotomy either. I've attempted discussions on other political forums with conservatives regarding that, but they usually avoided direct comment or just never replied.

    The GOP may make room under their tent for the new version of Log Cabin Republicans, but if GoPride has a pro-gay rights agenda, I can't imagine they would get very far with it.
    Gay support for Republicans has remained pretty constant. Bush got 25% in 2000, 23% in 2004, and McCain got 27% in 2008.
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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I was just watching someone who objected to the presence of GoPride. He was very in their face about it.

    You mean this guy:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJKU7eoNM2s"]YouTube- CPAC crowd boos Gay Basher Ryan Sorba[/ame]

    It just got very uncomfortable under the big tent...

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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Gay support for Republicans has remained pretty constant. Bush got 25% in 2000, 23% in 2004, and McCain got 27% in 2008.
    I have to ask because I think it is relevant. Are these estimates? Or actual numbers? Because I thought I saw the same numbers on CNN and their polling was quite suspect. Admittedly gay people make up at most 3%-5% of the entire population but that doesn't count people who have yet to come out of the closet. How can you poll a group when you do not know how big it really is? Or does that matter when doing polls? Just asking cause I saw those numbers and given the Prop 8 situation I thought they were way off.
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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    outside the gates of politcal gossip, within the halls of real power, the white house's pledge to end don't ask don't tell is revealed to be utterly hollow

    no leadership, laments the left, just indications of general direction

    exactly like health care

    gates meanwhile calls for a ONE YEAR review

    and asks for ANOTHER YEAR to implement

    don't ask don't tell aint moving an inch for the far foreseeable future

    words for a wednesday nite, the president's empty promise

    typical

    party on, progressives

    represent

    Left frets over fate of 'don't ask' - Jen DiMascio and Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You mean this guy:

    YouTube- CPAC crowd boos Gay Basher Ryan Sorba

    It just got very uncomfortable under the big tent...
    Indeed it did!

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