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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

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    Interesting--I wouldn't say this constitutes conservatives redefining themselves, as there were some not happy with the group, however, Cheney's comments on DADT and the presence of the this group at CPAC are steps in the right direction as far as getting more in touch with the mainstream and the next generation of voters.

    I've never understood the Fiscal/Social dichotomy in modern conservatism. Fiscal wants less government involvement. Social wants government involved in certain aspects of people's lives.
    every party evolves with time, but this really is not a case of that I do not think, or at least more a case of the country evolving, and the republicans included. I have always had a lot of respect for gay republicans who put their political beliefs before pragmatism(the democrats being the party more for gay rights), though that may not be the best word for what I am thinking.
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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

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    Interesting--I wouldn't say this constitutes conservatives redefining themselves, as there were some not happy with the group, however, Cheney's comments on DADT and the presence of the this group at CPAC are steps in the right direction as far as getting more in touch with the mainstream and the next generation of voters.

    I've never understood the Fiscal/Social dichotomy in modern conservatism. Fiscal wants less government involvement. Social wants government involved in certain aspects of people's lives.
    I've never understood it either, and I'm a conservative. I debate the subject pretty aggressively to anyone who makes the mistake of mentioning it to me.

    I love to take it back to sanctity. That gay marriage, whether it's legal or not, has no influence on the sanctity of my marriage. If Pharisee minded Christian's really want to attack things harmful to marriage in our country let's attack infidelity or pornography. Attacking something that can no way ever affect you seems pretty shallow. Especially when it comes to a religion based on the transformation of a person through God's love. Apparently some believe that the one thing God can't transform you from is homosexuality. Anyways, I've seen a lot of conservatives change their stance on the subject in the last 6 or 7 years. It's really not consistent with Christian ideals, and definitely not with conservative ones.



    Technically though, on the political spectrum the right supports a type of social authoritarianism and fiscal liberty. The left is supposed to believe in social liberty and a type of fiscal authoritarianism. Personally, I think that the right in this country are more likely to support social liberty. The left seems to believe in passing legislation to enforce some idea of it. Which kind of contradicts liberty but makes people feel good about trying. Homosexuality would be one exception of this for the right.

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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

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    I have to ask because I think it is relevant. Are these estimates? Or actual numbers? Because I thought I saw the same numbers on CNN and their polling was quite suspect. Admittedly gay people make up at most 3%-5% of the entire population but that doesn't count people who have yet to come out of the closet. How can you poll a group when you do not know how big it really is? Or does that matter when doing polls? Just asking cause I saw those numbers and given the Prop 8 situation I thought they were way off.
    As close to actual numbers as we can get - they're from each year's exit polls. There are of course issues involved with not counting people who are not out of the closet yet, but I'd imagine that if anything, those people are more likely to vote Republican.
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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

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    As close to actual numbers as we can get - they're from each year's exit polls. There are of course issues involved with not counting people who are not out of the closet yet, but I'd imagine that if anything, those people are more likely to vote Republican.
    What an assumption.

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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    Republicans will accept the gay organizationn under their tent but Conservatives will never accept the gay agenda so its a wash...Bottom line we will take your vote but never accept your social agenda..........
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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I've never understood the Fiscal/Social dichotomy in modern conservatism. Fiscal wants less government involvement. Social wants government involved in certain aspects of people's lives.
    Yeah, makes no sense to me either. But then, liberals do the same ..only the opposite. Fiscal wants more government involvement and social wants less government involvement.

    Go figure

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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    What an assumption.
    It's certainly an assumption, but I don't think it's that unwarranted. If 25% of openly gay people vote republican, what percent of closeted gay people do you think would vote republican? Given the effect of group dynamics and social expectations, I would expect that it would probably be higher.
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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    It's certainly an assumption, but I don't think it's that unwarranted. If 25% of openly gay people vote republican, what percent of closeted gay people do you think would vote republican? Given the effect of group dynamics and social expectations, I would expect that it would probably be higher.
    I agree. For the more liberal groups homosexuality is seen as normal as any other sexuality. It's the conservative groups where it is taboo and thus we can assume those homosexual conservatives are the ones unwilling to come out publicly with their true sexuality.
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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    Hmmmm...

    What the right needs to do is to realize that their is seperation of church and state for a reason. That you cannot say that gays can't get married and use religion as a way of covering up your own homophobia. If the right can managa to successfully intergrate homosexuals into their party or at least have the gay GOPers and the straight ones overcome their differences to face the common enemy, then not only will people be more drawn to the Republican party, but also they may stop being hated on so much.

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    Re: Gay Republicans draw support, concern at CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Republicans will accept the gay organizationn under their tent but Conservatives will never accept the gay agenda so its a wash...Bottom line we will take your vote but never accept your social agenda..........
    So your willing to sell your morals for an extra vote?
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