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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, however you made politicians attempting to create political enemies through the use of a term into a topic of this thread through your attempt to smear an entire wing of ideology, of which I was responding to showing your hollow complaint to be just that.
    Next time I'm in a thread about rich people, I'll be sure to smear the left for playing the class warfare game.

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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    That's because you're paranoid.
    Seems it was intentional after all. Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids.

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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Then by your reckoning violent acts of Jihad are not terrorism.
    The other poster hit it on the head. All squares are rectangles, not all rectangle are squares.

    Violent Jihad can manefest itself through terrorism, but simply doing something illegal because you believe you're on a "jihad" or just happening to be muslim doesn't make it terrorism.

    Just like the fact that Tiller's murder was a fundamentalist christian doesn't automatically make the killing terrorism.

    IMHO at least if for instance a guy was just indiscriminately shooting people with no seeming motive or indication at all, that to me would be a serial killer even though it'd definitely terrorize the population. This to me would be the case rather he's muslim, jew, christian, agnostic, athiest, whatever. Even if he thought he was "killing the sinners" or the "infidels", if its just an internal thing that to me isn't terrorism.

    However...

    If a guy was specifically targetting malls, or clinics that give abortions and provide birth control, or welfare offices and all the while is sending out or has left behind indications of a clear political motivation in attempting to send a message through his attacks ("The Wests Materialism is bad" for the mall, trying to scare people away from shopping or "Abortion is a sin" for the clinics and hoping to scare people from going there to get it or "Welfare is theivery" so trying to scare people from going to the welfare office) then to me it'd be shifted to terrorism.

    To me terrorism either needs some kind of clear, identifiable, message stated in some way BY the person OR attachment to an over arching terrorist organization (IE someone that randomly shoots up a mall with no indication for why, but later is claimed by a terrorist group demonizing the wests materialism. Or someone that blows up a portion of a wood working facility and is later found to have been a member of ELF unbeknownst to those close to him).

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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It was a mass murder. There had been no evidence that it was done for any kind of political message but more evidence pointing to him abhoring the notion of going overseas into the war and being increasingly antagonistic towards his fellow soldiers to the point of snapping. There is no evidence of him being directly connected to any terrorist organization or group, with the closest being that he attended a mosque for a time that did have some terrorists come out of it. It was a mass murder, not truly that different than the shooting at Alabama last week.

    Now I expect you to ridiculous ignore all this and call me "blind" because its the type of pathetic debate you tend to put out and the idiotic broadbrush method you have of insulting...all of which I'd give a damn about if I actually cared what you thought of my "vision" about this.
    An unnamed official "with top secret access" told the network 18 e-mails were exchanged between Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan and Anwar al-Awlaki, who encouraged Muslims to kill U.S. troops in Iraq, from Dec. 2008 until June of this year.

    Other e-mails, the official said, included discussion of when jihad is considered "appropriate," and if it is acceptable for innocent people to die in suicide attacks.

    "Hasan told Awlaki he couldn't wait to join him in the discussions they would having over non-alcoholic wine in the afterlife," ABC quoted the official as saying.

    Hasan — with an annual salary around $92,000 — also wrote, "My strength is my financial capabilities," the source said. Investigators have found the Army major donated as much as $30,000 per year to Islamic "charities." American authorities have found several such charities to be conduits to terrorist networks.

    A military analyst told ABC: "It sounds like code words ... That he's actually either offering himself up or that he's already crossed that line in his own mind."

    A joint terrorism task force overseen by the FBI learned late last year of Hasan's repeated contact with al-Awlaki. The FBI said the task force did not refer early information about Hasan to superiors because it concluded he wasn't linked to terrorism.

    Secretary of Defense Robert Gates called it disturbing that Hasan has e-mail contact with the radical cleric in Yemen, but stressed that his review is separate from the criminal investigation into Hasan and should not be interpreted as a finger-pointing exercise against Muslims or anyone else.

    Investigators have said e-mails between Hasan and the imam did not advocate or threaten violence. After the shootings, al-Awlaki's Web site praised Hasan as a hero.
    Hasan E-Mail to Radical Imam: 'I Can't Wait to Join You' in the Afterlife - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

    And this is why you and I never get along. You are so determined to be "moderate" and "able to see the truth without being mired in ideology" that you refuse to call this scum bag, a Terrorist, nor his attack a terrorist event.

    Call a spade a spade sir.

    Are all muslims terrorist? Nope. Not at all. Are all muslims that commit mass murder after emails like the above? YES they are, and to say otherwise is dishonest to the core.
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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    This is an excellent post, much better than your usual ones. My hat is off to you!

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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Seems it was intentional after all. Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids.
    That doesn't make it a terrorist attack.

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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    So he was a radical muslim who the FBI doesn't even identify as a terrorist, with no direct or even provable ties to any actual terrorist network, and with absolutely no proof that there was some giant over arching political message meant to be sent through it, nor that this was set up by a terrorist organization.

    Nope. He's a radical islamist mass murdering, treasonous scum bag. However it wasn't "terrorism" in my eyes.

    How you somehow think I'm giving this guy a pass or not calling him a spade a spade as if I'm just excusing him is hillarious. The man committed high treason and mass murder. Inappropriately labeling him a terrorist...or even if he was a terorrist...wouldn't somehow make him worse or lower in my mind. And not calling him a terrorist or thinking its terrorism doesn't mean I still don't think the ball was dropped in a variety of ways of picking up on warning signs of a severely disturbed and dangerous individual.

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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Hasan E-Mail to Radical Imam: 'I Can't Wait to Join You' in the Afterlife - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

    And this is why you and I never get along. You are so determined to be "moderate" and "able to see the truth without being mired in ideology" that you refuse to call this scum bag, a Terrorist, nor his attack a terrorist event.

    Call a spade a spade sir.

    Are all muslims terrorist? Nope. Not at all. Are all muslims that commit mass murder after emails like the above? YES they are, and to say otherwise is dishonest to the core.
    Soldiers are still legitimate targets of war no matter the reason for the attack.

    BACK ON TRACK, this guy's suicide note, from a psych101 standpoint, is one giant attempt to project his numerous mistakes onto others. It's the IRS' fault for fining him on his church scam. It's the IRS' fault he didn't file taxes because he assumed without income he didn't have to. He blames 9/11 security measures for his failing business.

    Not once does he take any sort of real responsibility.
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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What does Fort Hood have to do with this? Are you suggesting that because a crazy man shot people at Fort Hood that it increases the chance this is an intentional attack? Guilt by proximity?
    Before 911, there were a lot of young Arab men signing up for flight school, especially the ones who were interested in learning how to take off and fly the plane but not to land it.

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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Joseph Andrew Stack was a 53 year old software engineer and was a licensed pilot. The plane he flew into the building was not stolen.

    The Austin IRS office housed 190+/- employees.

    The fire has been contained. Two people have been hospitalized and one remains unaccounted for. The pilot is presumed dead.

    Two Air Force F-16's have been sent aloft.

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