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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Good question. Here is a quote from a letter McVeigh wrote to a fellow named Steve Colburn where he was trying to recruit people to his cause.

    I think that since he was trying to actively recruit people, he would fall on the terrorism side of the line, but this one is a hard case either way I think.
    While I may disagree with you, kudos for giving it actual thought and being consistant.

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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    So you believe American Soldiers are enemies, enlightenning.

    When you wear the SAME UNIFORM as your targets.... it's terrorism.

    Nice try buddy.
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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I am going to go with the dictionary here

    ter⋅ror⋅ism
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    the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

    Yes he was a Muslim extremist, but he was also just plain crazy. He might have had political goals in mind, as probably did the guy with the prop plane, but it takes an agenda to be a terrorist. I see no evidence that the Fort Hood guy thought he was going to change anything that society does.
    Then by your reckoning violent acts of Jihad are not terrorism.

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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    ... Ft. Hood was a terrorist attack by a Muslim Extremist. Only the willfully blind say otherwise.
    It was a mass murder. There had been no evidence that it was done for any kind of political message but more evidence pointing to him abhoring the notion of going overseas into the war and being increasingly antagonistic towards his fellow soldiers to the point of snapping. There is no evidence of him being directly connected to any terrorist organization or group, with the closest being that he attended a mosque for a time that did have some terrorists come out of it. It was a mass murder, not truly that different than the shooting at Alabama last week.

    Now I expect you to ridiculous ignore all this and call me "blind" because its the type of pathetic debate you tend to put out and the idiotic broadbrush method you have of insulting...all of which I'd give a damn about if I actually cared what you thought of my "vision" about this.

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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Fox News reports the NTSB says the pilot set his own house ablaze then piloted the plane into the office building which also houses the IRS office.
    Dang it, I am waiting for my tax return from the IRS office in Austin. I guess this means Im gonna have to put off purchasing my new pistol for awhile.
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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    None of those groups are the subject of this thread.
    No, however you made politicians attempting to create political enemies through the use of a term into a topic of this thread through your attempt to smear an entire wing of ideology, of which I was responding to showing your hollow complaint to be just that.

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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It was a mass murder. There had been no evidence that it was done for any kind of political message but more evidence pointing to him abhoring the notion of going overseas into the war and being increasingly antagonistic towards his fellow soldiers to the point of snapping. There is no evidence of him being directly connected to any terrorist organization or group, with the closest being that he attended a mosque for a time that did have some terrorists come out of it. It was a mass murder, not truly that different than the shooting at Alabama last week.

    Now I expect you to ridiculous ignore all this and call me "blind" because its the type of pathetic debate you tend to put out and the idiotic broadbrush method you have of insulting...all of which I'd give a damn about if I actually cared what you thought of my "vision" about this.

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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Then by your reckoning violent acts of Jihad are not terrorism.
    Precisely.

    All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. Jihadist violence is not inherently terrorism, although there is often a political agenda or goal involved. In those cases, yes, it's terrorism.

    Possible suicide note?
    Well Mr. Big Brother IRS man... take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

    (also possible hoax)

    edit: Looks like, assuming this is a real letter, the guy tried to cheat on his taxes by setting up a fake church or something and got pissed when the IRS fined and jailed him for it. Then some other stuff about government bailing out the airlines with his tax dollars.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Then by your reckoning violent acts of Jihad are not terrorism.
    Not exactly. I think the majority of the acts by many muslim groups are certainly terrorism. There is an established political agenda, there are regular public statements by the organization's leaders, there is active promotion of their ideology, and there is organized violence. All with the purpose of either gaining control and influence.

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    Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And if this guy was making a political statement with the intention of it being through damage and mass murder and was just an idiot that didn't realize that a small plane wasn't going to do anything on the scale of 9/11, would it be terrorism or not?

    Does one have to not be an idiot in the method one goes about attempting to do damage for one to be able to be termed a terrorist?
    I wasn't talking about this guy, who was just a loon. I was talking about Timothy McVeigh, who you had brought up as an example.
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