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    White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    WASHINGTON – The White House and congressional leaders are preparing a detailed health care proposal designed to win passage without Republican support if GOP lawmakers fail to embrace bipartisan compromises at President Barack Obama's summit next week.


    A senior White House official said Thursday that Democratic negotiators are resolving final differences in House and Senate health bills that passed last year with virtually no Republican help. The White House plans to post the proposals online by Monday morning, three days ahead of the Feb. 25 summit, which GOP leaders are approaching warily.
    After the Brown election, I predicted that "Obamacare" was still going to pass, and it looks like I am right. If talks break down between the White House and Republican legislators next week, Democrats plan to use a tactic that is very similar to the "Nuclear Option" planned by Republicans, when Democrats threatened to stall Bush's appointments of judges.

    What the Democrats are planning is all legal, but sets a bad precedent. I also predict that it will start a full scale war between Democrats and Republicans on the Hill, in which the GOP will use a "scorched earth" strategy, much like what the Democrats had threatened when Republicans threatened the nuclear option.

    The key to the Democrats' strategy is to pass health care under "reconciliation", which would prevent filibusters, by requiring only 51 votes to pass. By doing this, the Democrats also plan to bring back the "Public Option" and pass that through the reconciliation process. This is also legal, because the public option had already been passed by the House.

    In my opinion, this is bad, and for the following reasons:

    1) It mandates that most Americans purchase insurance. This IS Socialistic in nature.

    2) It will add more than a trillion dollars to the deficit over the next decade.

    3) It will make steep cuts in Medicare, a program that many Americans have spent a lifetime paying into already.

    4) It will put the Federal government in the insurance business, something that it has no business being in.

    Now these are my objections to the health care bill, as it looks like it will exist in its final form. To those who disagree with me, please state your reasons.

    Finally, let me add this: As things are turning out, it does not matter ONE IOTA what people think, either pro or con. This is going to be a done deal. Think about it when you go into the voting booth this November, and vote accordingly.

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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    This would be the death of a lot of political careers. It might also set in motion a "secession" by many states that could choose simply not to participate at all.

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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This would be the death of a lot of political careers. It might also set in motion a "secession" by many states that could choose simply not to participate at all.
    I don't see "secession", isn't there an opt-out option for states?

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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This would be the death of a lot of political careers. It might also set in motion a "secession" by many states that could choose simply not to participate at all.
    Talk of secession need to start now and loud I believe most Texans would welcome it without the incentive Obama Care.

    What ever it takes to stop this going ahead needs to be done before it takes root because if they do this the Liberal idiots will next be forcing Cap And Trade on us at which point Obama gets his wish and the economy is sunk for sure and maybe for a generation or until a revolution, hopefully a peaceful one.

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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post

    In my opinion, this is bad, and for the following reasons:

    1) It mandates that most Americans purchase insurance. This IS Socialistic in nature.
    Hong Kong, the most free market on earth, requires residents to purchase health insurance.

    2) It will add more than a trillion dollars to the deficit over the next decade.
    Yeah, probably will do that.

    3) It will make steep cuts in Medicare, a program that many Americans have spent a lifetime paying into already.
    The cuts in Medicare have nothing to do with coverage for seniors. They are related to things like over payments on Medicare Advantage, which is nothing but corporate welfare. If we don't cut Medicare, it will be insolvent.

    4) It will put the Federal government in the insurance business, something that it has no business being in.
    The Federal Government has been in the insurance business since 1965. Medicare is already the largest socialized health care program on the face of the earth.

    I am not a fan of the Democratic healthcare "reform" plan, but I don't think that your particular criticisms of it presented in the OP are very valid.
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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Talk of secession need to start now and loud I believe most Texans would welcome it without the incentive Obama Care.

    What ever it takes to stop this going ahead needs to be done before it takes root because if they do this the Liberal idiots will next be forcing Cap And Trade on us at which point Obama gets his wish and the economy is sunk for sure and maybe for a generation or until a revolution, hopefully a peaceful one.
    You talk like Obama WANTS to sink the economy. I have a lot of disagreements with Obama, but I will never stoop so low as to claim that he is unamerican, wants the economy to fail, or any other ludicrouos garbage. Despite my feeling strongly that Obama is wrong, I DO realize that he loves this country just as much as I do. I just think his policies are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You talk like Obama WANTS to sink the economy. I have a lot of disagreements with Obama, but I will never stoop so low as to claim that he is unamerican, wants the economy to fail, or any other ludicrouos garbage. Despite my feeling strongly that Obama is wrong, I DO realize that he loves this country just as much as I do. I just think his policies are wrong.
    Someone who loves this country would not blow up the way the government works to save his political life.

    Maybe would should have believed his wife when she said, in 2008 that this was the first time in her life she was proud of being American.

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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    so much nonsense

    the party can't even agree on a compromise to bring to the summit

    Obama to Post Health Plan as Democrats Try for Accord (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

    of course leadership is gonna SAY things about progress

    what would you expect?

    we can't do it?

    we give up?

    reconciliation was never anything more than bluff

    first of all, it's budgetary, narrowly

    it can't be used to legislate social reforms, like forcing insurers to cover those with pre existing conditions, end rescissions, force portability, mandate individuals to cover themselves, mandate states expand medicaid by 20 million...

    a hundred other things

    even to get to reconciliation you must pass procedural hurdles that require 60

    measures muscled by nuke option must be reupped periodically, the party would find itself fighting this apocalyptic war all over again in 6 months

    bottom line---should harry even try for one day to go nuke it would be so ugly, on the floor, it'll make bob mcdonnell actually look pretty to you, chris christie slim

    they're gonna go nuke, leadership says so---LOL!

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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    so much nonsense

    the party can't even agree on a compromise to bring to the summit

    Obama to Post Health Plan as Democrats Try for Accord (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

    of course leadership is gonna SAY things about progress

    what would you expect?

    we can't do it?

    we give up?

    reconciliation was never anything more than bluff

    first of all, it's budgetary, narrowly

    it can't be used to legislate social reforms, like forcing insurers to cover those with pre existing conditions, end rescissions, force portability, mandate individuals to cover themselves, mandate states expand medicaid by 20 million...

    a hundred other things

    even to get to reconciliation you must pass procedural hurdles that require 60

    measures muscled by nuke option must be reupped periodically, the party would find itself fighting this apocalyptic war all over again in 6 months

    bottom line---should harry even try for one day to go nuke it would be so ugly, on the floor, it'll make bob mcdonnell actually look pretty to you, chris christie slim

    they're gonna go nuke, leadership says so---LOL!

    SUMMARY OF THE BYRD RULE
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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I didn't know they allowed Republicans to perform at the Def Poetry Jam.
    I think next year, this forum needs to get together and try to get The Prof a speaking gig at CPAC.

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