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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    After the Brown election, I predicted that "Obamacare" was still going to pass, and it looks like I am right.
    As I said even before Brown was elected and it looked sure to pass: I'll believe it when I see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea
    What the Democrats are planning is all legal, but sets a bad precedent.
    No, what sets a bad precedent is filibustering every single bill, and having no way for the majority to pass the legislation.

    (Sorry if that sounds partisan, but it's true. I like to think I'm usually pretty reasonable when it comes to seeing things from other political views...but in this case, the blame IS entirely one-sided. The Republicans have essentially shut down the government by insisting on 60 votes for everything.)

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea
    The key to the Democrats' strategy is to pass health care under "reconciliation", which would prevent filibusters, by requiring only 51 votes to pass. By doing this, the Democrats also plan to bring back the "Public Option" and pass that through the reconciliation process. This is also legal, because the public option had already been passed by the House.
    While I'd like to see the public option return, I'm skeptical as to whether or not it can pass. At this point I'd rather see a cleanup bill pass the Senate via reconciliation so that both the Senate bill and the cleanup bill can be ratified, and we at least have SOMETHING. At that point, THEN maybe the Senate can consider adopting the public option via reconciliation.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea
    1) It mandates that most Americans purchase insurance. This IS Socialistic in nature.
    Nah, it's just practical. There's no way to ban preexisting conditions (which pretty much everyone agrees we need) unless we also mandate insurance. Otherwise, people will abuse the system and wait until they get sick to buy insurance.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea
    2) It will add more than a trillion dollars to the deficit over the next decade.
    I don't know what makes you think this. The CBO (not known for wildly optimistic projections) concluded that the health reform bill will actually reduce the deficit.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea
    3) It will make steep cuts in Medicare, a program that many Americans have spent a lifetime paying into already.
    One of the prime reasons we need to pass health reform is to get entitlement spending under control. Medicare is on a truly horrifying financial trajectory if nothing changes.

    And weren't you just saying an insurance mandate (which truly isn't that big a deal to most people) was the equivalent of socialism? Yet you support the status quo on Medicare?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea
    4) It will put the Federal government in the insurance business, something that it has no business being in.
    What exactly do you think Medicare does?
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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Republicans have been calling this healthcare summit, a televised meeting where they are highly encouraged to bring their ideas to the table for open negotiations, doing exactly what they've been asking for all along, "a trap."

    Republicans keep saying they've been shut out, that the administration doesn't really want bipartisanship.

    We took out the public option.
    We took out the "death panel" clause despite it being nothing of the sort.
    We changed the language regarding illegal aliens, despite the bill already prohibiting funds being used for those in this country illegally.
    We added the across-state-lines selling of insurance.
    We added a requirement for each state to address malpractice lawsuits. AKA tort reform.

    All of these were Republican ideas. Demands made that Democrats gave in to.

    Now the Republicans are getting another demand: televised, transparent negotiations for all Americans to see.

    And they have the nerve to keep saying that they're being shut out, and that this is "a trap." The only way its a trap is if you guys actually have no helpful ideas.

    How much more ground should the Democrats give before they just say "**** it, these people have absolutely no intention of governing."

    Last chance, Republicans. We've been patient enough with you.
    You didn't have to take out anything. All you had to do was pass it. And you didn't. Why?

    The Republicans couldn't stop you from July-December. Why didn't you pass it?

    Stop blaming Republicans. They were helpless.

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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Talk of secession need to start now and loud I believe most Texans would welcome it without the incentive Obama Care.

    What ever it takes to stop this going ahead needs to be done before it takes root because if they do this the Liberal idiots will next be forcing Cap And Trade on us at which point Obama gets his wish and the economy is sunk for sure and maybe for a generation or until a revolution, hopefully a peaceful one.
    Texas is welcome to secede anytime it wants too.....good riddance.
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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    they can't pass it cuz it's a pig

    and you can't reconcile a pig, either

    it's PHYSICALLY impossible

    cuz the pig has too much SOCIAL reform in it

    public option via reconciliation---LOL!

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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    the party can't even agree on a compromise to SUBMIT TO SUMMIT

    LOL!

    why?

    the prez has promised to have it up and online BY MONDAY?

    where's the MOVEMENT?

    today?

    why NO MOVEMENT?

    tick tock

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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Texas is welcome to secede anytime it wants too.....good riddance.
    Yeah, get rid of perhaps the only state with a balanced budget. LOL

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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    they can't pass it cuz it's a pig

    and you can't reconcile a pig, either

    it's PHYSICALLY impossible

    cuz the pig has too much SOCIAL reform in it

    public option via reconciliation---LOL!
    And it will lead to SO many new jobs, won't it? I mean, the key to getting the economy moving is to nationalize healthcare.

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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Republicans have been calling this healthcare summit, a televised meeting where they are highly encouraged to bring their ideas to the table for open negotiations, doing exactly what they've been asking for all along, "a trap."

    Republicans keep saying they've been shut out, that the administration doesn't really want bipartisanship.

    We took out the public option.
    We took out the "death panel" clause despite it being nothing of the sort.
    We changed the language regarding illegal aliens, despite the bill already prohibiting funds being used for those in this country illegally.
    We added the across-state-lines selling of insurance.
    We added a requirement for each state to address malpractice lawsuits. AKA tort reform.

    All of these were Republican ideas. Demands made that Democrats gave in to.

    Now the Republicans are getting another demand: televised, transparent negotiations for all Americans to see.

    And they have the nerve to keep saying that they're being shut out, and that this is "a trap." The only way its a trap is if you guys actually have no helpful ideas.

    How much more ground should the Democrats give before they just say "**** it, these people have absolutely no intention of governing."

    Last chance, Republicans. We've been patient enough with you.
    I agree with the above sentiment 110%!!! It's exactly what I've been saying to my wife, who is a Republican, for months now. (You should hear the "debates" we have at our house on this and other political matters...it gets scary sometimes!!! )

    She believes as I do that part of the process that goes into creating legistlation is compromise. But the kind of compromise Republicans want is "there way or no way!" They say they've submitted all these ideas and the Dems have rejected most or all of them and yet when it's pointed out that this or that was, in fact, a Republican proposal that was either included, modified or removed suddenly the legistlation is STILL not good enough, and they STILL vote against it. It's stonewalling to the max! And it's one of the reasons the people are so frustrated and angry with DC politics.

    I understand Conservative/Republican's opposition to health care reform, but when you tear down their reasons for opposing reform it boils down to power plays rather than doing what's right for the people who need health care reform the most in a way that truly brings down overall costs.

    IMO, Republicans on the Hill have been very disingenuous to the American people at best and looking out for themselves at worst.

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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    half a trillion cuts to m and m

    10 years of taxes, 6 of benefits

    mandates on individuals to buy for themselves that which they can't afford, fines and potential criminalization down the road if they don't

    200B of unfunded mandates on already bankrupt states in the form of massive expansion of medicaid, the ghetto of health care

    the doc fix, a quarter T, off budget

    the double counting of another quarter T, according to cbo

    i could go on (and on), believe me

    we have been over this ground a thousand times

    it's a pig of a bill, a real stinker

    you betcha, we opposed it

    and we were REWARDED massively, 25 to 30 point swings towards red in MA, VA and NJ

    ALL THREE extremely important and meaningful states

    if you can pass it, pass it

    grow the heck up

    america has NEVER seen leadership act like such babies

    it's a big part of YOUR problem

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    Re: White House: Dems near accord on health care bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Texas is welcome to secede anytime it wants too.....good riddance.
    That would certainly help balance the budget as Texas is not a contributor but rather a net dependent state.

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