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    Re: Israel Under Suspicion It Killed Hamas Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I feel that those statements have some moral validity when the death count of innocents continues to climb. I don't hold, I'm repeating myself from previous posts here, that there is a moral equivalence between the NATO actions and those of indiscriminate fundamentalist Islamist activity.

    Could I be clearer? I don't think NATO are as culpable for the loss of innocent lives as the insurgents! I believe NATO is trying to achieve something laudable in Afghanistan but is making too many mistakes and too many ordinary Afghans are getting killed as a result.

    If you still want to misrepresent me as an enemy of the West and a friend of Islamist terrorists, go right ahead. I'm just not going to kow-tow to some simplistic, West=all good, don't criticise: Islam=bad, they've all got it coming to them.

    I haven't misrepresented you at all since I certainly made no claims as to the positions you hold.
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    Re: Israel Under Suspicion It Killed Hamas Man

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    Perhaps it's time for NATO in Afghanistan to stop using attack drones and concentrate on gaining land victories against the Taliban.
    Drones have been effective in eliminating many high-value targets. I'm with George Will on this one:

    U.S. forces are being increased by 21,000, to 68,000, bringing the coalition total to 110,000. About 9,000 are from Britain, where support for the war is waning. Counterinsurgency theory concerning the time and the ratio of forces required to protect the population indicates that, nationwide, Afghanistan would need hundreds of thousands of coalition troops, perhaps for a decade or more. That is inconceivable.

    So, instead, forces should be substantially reduced to serve a comprehensively revised policy: America should do only what can be done from offshore, using intelligence, drones, cruise missiles, airstrikes and small, potent Special Forces units, concentrating on the porous 1,500-mile border with Pakistan, a nation that actually matters.

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    Re: Israel Under Suspicion It Killed Hamas Man

    Whoever killed the Hamas terrorist is a hero in my book. I don't see why the world is so angry considering this guy works for an organization that is bent on killing millions and enslaving their people into a theocratic dictatorship. If anyone is going to charge Israel with any crime it should be for not completely eradicating Hamas during Operation Cast Lead. That is the true crime.

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    Re: Israel Under Suspicion It Killed Hamas Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Perhaps it's time for NATO in Afghanistan to stop using attack drones and concentrate on gaining land victories against the Taliban.
    Drones are the 21st-century weapons.

    Every advanced military in the world makes use of them due to their strategic and tactical importance and the dramatic advantage they provide to the users in the battlefield.

    The biggest advantage provided by the drones is the fact that soldier's lives are being spared the risk that is to engage in an assault task when you can instead simply send a drone in and take the enemies out.
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    Re: Israel Under Suspicion It Killed Hamas Man

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Whoever killed the Hamas terrorist is a hero in my book. I don't see why the world is so angry considering this guy works for an organization that is bent on killing millions and enslaving their people into a theocratic dictatorship. If anyone is going to charge Israel with any crime it should be for not completely eradicating Hamas during Operation Cast Lead. That is the true crime.
    Be fair, they gave it a pretty good go. Would you like to have seen them kill all Hamas supporters? All 440,000 of them?
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    Re: Israel Under Suspicion It Killed Hamas Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Be fair, they gave it a pretty good go. Would you like to have seen them kill all Hamas supporters? All 440,000 of them?
    He was obviously referring to Hamas, which consists of 25,000-30,000 members, and not of all of their supporters.

    And I believe Hamas has more supporters than merely 440,000, perhaps you weren't counting the ones from overseas.
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    Re: Israel Under Suspicion It Killed Hamas Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Be fair, they gave it a pretty good go. Would you like to have seen them kill all Hamas supporters? All 440,000 of them?
    I would like to see all the none violent ones (if they exist) jailed, those that support them politically technically have done nothing illegal. Those who are apart of the organization should be jailed or executed. To be fair would mean to be just, and to be just would mean to destroy the organization that is bent on killing millions and enslaving millions of others. It is not justice to allow Hamas to exist and fire rockets at civilians while preaching a racist, discriminatory, and hateful message.

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    Re: Israel Under Suspicion It Killed Hamas Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    In order for an accusation to be made, a true basis must be formed.

    Right now, all we have knowledge of is:

    -Some of the passports used were British.
    -Some of the names taken for the identities were British-Israelis dual nationality citizens.
    -Some of the passports used were Irish.
    -One French passport was used.
    -One German passport was used.
    -Most of the phone lines used were based in Austria.
    -American credit cards were used.

    That is everything that is currently known to us on the case.
    Due to the above, the rational conclusion that will be drawn is that right now nothing points out to one of the specific countries above, with Britain being related to both the passports and the citizenship of the "stolen identities", leading the chart.

    Since that is the case, one cannot simply blame the Mossad for the hit out of the blue, and doing so will be an act of pure irrationality.

    Anyway, my personal opinion is that whoever it was was not related to any of the above countries, since leaving traces to the country of your origin would be one of the issues that is mostly avoided here.
    Hence, the fact that British, German, French, Irish passports, American credit cards, British-Israeli names and Austrian phone-lines were used, could act as a counter-evidence to the claim that any of the above countries has anything to do with it.

    All that doesn't matter, of course, since the identity behind the assassination of the head-terrorist would be most likely hidden for eternity from the public's eyes, and the investigation would bear no fruit.

    Hopefully we'll see more terrorist assassinations of that kind in the future, it consists of both entertainment and justice
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    Re: Israel Under Suspicion It Killed Hamas Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    In order for an accusation to be made, a true basis must be formed.

    Right now, all we have knowledge of is:

    -Some of the passports used were British.
    -Some of the names taken for the identities were British-Israelis dual nationality citizens.
    -Some of the passports used were Irish.
    -One French passport was used.
    -One German passport was used.
    -Most of the phone lines used were based in Austria.
    -American credit cards were used.

    That is everything that is currently known to us on the case.
    Due to the above, the rational conclusion that will be drawn is that right now nothing points out to one of the specific countries above, with Britain being related to both the passports and the citizenship of the "stolen identities", leading the chart.

    Since that is the case, one cannot simply blame the Mossad for the hit out of the blue, and doing so will be an act of pure irrationality.

    Anyway, my personal opinion is that whoever it was was not related to any of the above countries, since leaving traces to the country of your origin would be one of the issues that is mostly avoided here.
    Hence, the fact that British, German, French, Irish passports, American credit cards, British-Israeli names and Austrian phone-lines were used, could act as a counter-evidence to the claim that any of the above countries has anything to do with it.

    All that doesn't matter, of course, since the identity behind the assassination of the head-terrorist would be most likely hidden for eternity from the public's eyes, and the investigation would bear no fruit.

    Hopefully we'll see more terrorist assassinations of that kind in the future, it consists of both entertainment and justice.
    Israel's current status in this affair is "Prime suspect". If evidence emerges to give concrete links between Mossad and this assassination then there will be diplomatic repercussions for Israel in their relationships with the countries that were implicated by association through the stolen passports.

    Let's be clear, few people are likely to be mourning the loss of the Hamas leader except Hamas supporters in the region. But the violation of UAE's sovereignty, and involving third-party nations in international criminal activity is something that the international community must treat seriously.

    If Mossad were responsible, it was a major f***-up. The activity of secret services is meant to be just that, secret. They may find that on balance this mission has caused them greater long-term damage than the Hamas guy could have achieved had he lived. Of course, if you're judging it in entertainment terms... Jesus!
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    Re: Israel Under Suspicion It Killed Hamas Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Israel's current status in this affair is "Prime suspect".
    Actually if we were to step out of lala-land for a moment we'd fine out that even suspects have evidence that points against them.
    There is no such evidence in this case.

    If, however, you consider the British-Israeli used names as an evidence - then you must consider all of them equally as suspects - meaning that the suspects currently are; Israel, Britain, Ireland, Germany, France, Austria and the USA.

    That is not the case, of course.
    If evidence emerges to give concrete links between Mossad and this assassination
    I don't fool myself, neither should you.
    No evidence would emerge, the case would be forgotten in 2 weeks max from now. (More reasonably 5-6 days)
    Let's be clear, few people are likely to be mourning the loss of the Hamas leader except Hamas supporters in the region.
    And outside the region.
    But the violation of UAE's sovereignty, and involving third-party nations in international criminal activity is something that the international community must treat seriously.
    Of course, they should investigate.
    That's a violation of their laws and it should be considered such.
    They wouldn't, however, find a thing.
    The hit squad has most likely left nothing that could point towards them.
    Agents in such cases are only caught during the operation.
    Since the agents in this case have successfully escaped before the Dubai police could realize what has happened, and since they have probably used a totally different appearance from their original and actual image, the chances to catch them are pretty much non-existent.
    If Mossad were responsible, it was a major f***-up.
    How so?
    Terrorist dead, agents escaped, no evidence left behind.
    The activity of secret services is meant to be just that, secret. They may find that on balance this mission has caused them greater long-term damage than the Hamas guy could have achieved had he lived.
    Again, let's not fool ourselves.
    They absolutely knew of Dubai's camera systems, they knew they will be recorded on CCTV, and they have prepared accordingly wearing glasses, wigs, makeup and probably face masks.

    Here's one of the agents, Gail Folliard, giving a big greening smile to the camera.
    Of course, a very blurry picture, and you can see that she's wearing a wig:

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