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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Question: Do the 18% who support the ruling know how many justices sit on the U.S. Supreme Court and can they name at least one?
    That's probably the 18% that CAN name three or more. The rest are morons that believed Obama's claims about the ruling.
    Why are liberals so against free speech?
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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Amazing how many people still support the "right" of corporations to purchase politicians by running ads. It does make a good investment, as those politicians then will do the bidding of their masters, rather than the work of the people.

    Interesting, too, how unions are mentioned as the bad guy, as if there is somehow a difference between one special interest or another purchasing political power.

    Sure, you can have free speech too, if you can afford it. The cost? Well, if you have to ask, then you can't afford it.
    Do you really, honestly believe that McCain Feingold limited the money spent in campaigns? Seriously? All it did was create a shell game. Now that shell game is gone.
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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Do you really, honestly believe that McCain Feingold limited the money spent in campaigns? Seriously? All it did was create a shell game. Now that shell game is gone.
    This is like saying the police shouldn't go after thieves because thieves will just get sneakier.

    It is society's best interest to try and make sure that everyone has free speech, not just those who can afford it.

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    Re: Left and Right United in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    It's not enough that lobbyist can pay big bucks to influence legistlation but now thanks to the SC major corporations can "contribute" big bucks to directly from their own cauffers to any campaign race they want. Talk about captialism running amock!!

    Mind you, I don't have a problem with capitalism or individuals contributing to public campaigns as long as they aren't doing so while holding a prominate position of influence within a major corporation. But when you allow big businesses to make such direct contributions...now you've opened the door to all sorts of questionable ethical and perhaps even illegal practises. Not a smart decision by the SCOTUS at all.
    Is Fox, CNN, or MSNBC not a big business? Do they not do exactly what you describe?

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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    That's probably the 18% that CAN name three or more. The rest are morons that believed Obama's claims about the ruling.
    Why are liberals so against free speech?
    Please tell me this was a (rather pathetic) attempt at sarcasm?

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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    a more important question-at least to those of us who understand that the federal government is properly limited to those powers expressly delegated to it by the constitution ask

    WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION DID THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EVER PROPERLY GET THE POWER TO TELL CORPORATIONS HOW TO SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY?
    Conversely, where is the Constitution does it say that a corporation is a person, that the Federal Government has the right to recognize corporations as persons, and endow them with "unalienable" rights?
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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Amazing how many people still support the "right" of corporations to purchase politicians by running ads. It does make a good investment, as those politicians then will do the bidding of their masters, rather than the work of the people.

    Interesting, too, how unions are mentioned as the bad guy, as if there is somehow a difference between one special interest or another purchasing political power.

    Sure, you can have free speech too, if you can afford it. The cost? Well, if you have to ask, then you can't afford it.
    I didn't say I like it, but where is the Constitutional basis to deny it? The Corporation is using its own earned profits. Unions use dues from members for political causes that many of its members may not agree with. This is a fundamental difference. I have not been one to argue against unions being able to express their positions, but their position IS fundamentally different.

    So, are you arguing that the law should not allow ANYONE to have "speech" because not everyone can afford it?
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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I didn't say I like it, but where is the Constitutional basis to deny it? The Corporation is using its own earned profits. Unions use dues from members for political causes that many of its members may not agree with. This is a fundamental difference. I have not been one to argue against unions being able to express their positions, but their position IS fundamentally different.

    So, are you arguing that the law should not allow ANYONE to have "speech" because not everyone can afford it?
    Neither unions nor corporations nor money are people who deserve rights to free speech. If individuals want to contribute money for a specific campaign, then that's OK. If individuals want to sound off on the issues of the day, that's to be encouraged. If an entity like a corporation or a union wants to purchase political power, that is detrimental to the rest of us and is not OK IMO.
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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Neither unions nor corporations nor money are people who deserve rights to free speech. If individuals want to contribute money for a specific campaign, then that's OK. If individuals want to sound off on the issues of the day, that's to be encouraged. If an entity like a corporation or a union wants to purchase political power, that is detrimental to the rest of us and is not OK IMO.
    Then change the Constitution though the legal process. Is there anything in the Constitution that denies them this right? No, there isn't. Also, the law recognizes registered corporations as legal person entities.
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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Conversely, where is the Constitution does it say that a corporation is a person, that the Federal Government has the right to recognize corporations as persons, and endow them with "unalienable" rights?
    that isn't the issue

    if the federal government has not the proper power that means people can do what they want

    ever heard of the right of association?



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