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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It shouldn't be a surprise. It was a lousy ruling.

    Where in the Constitution does it say that corporations are people and have the same rights?

    If a corporation is found guilty of a crime, do we read it its rights?

    And where does it say that money is speech? Money talks, all right, but should we give it free speech?

    Money has already corrupted our political system. Now, it will corrupt it even more.
    I hope you realize that corporations were and still are banned from contributing to political campaigns.

    All the ruling did was ensure that they weren't banned from making their own political ads and spreading a political message.

    I'm not sure about that poll, considering it seems to contradict this one:
    Public Agrees With Court: Campaign Money Is "Free Speech"

    Maybe the polls are different enough to allow completely different findings, but I still find it highly doubtful that a vast majority of Republicans oppose the ruling.

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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No. Since the poll wasn't of informed people.

    Informed people do not object to allowing others their freedom to speak.

    Maybe if the Washington Post and ABC spent more time presenting the reality of the case there'd be more informed people out there and less people ranting hysterically like some are.
    Informed people know who Malcolm X was. I'll give you a hint. He wasn't a black panther.
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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Informed people know who Malcolm X was. I'll give you a hint. He wasn't a black panther.
    You'll have to tell what Malcom the Tenth's last name was so I can google him.

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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I hope you realize that corporations were and still are banned from contributing to political campaigns.

    All the ruling did was ensure that they weren't banned from making their own political ads and spreading a political message.

    I'm not sure about that poll, considering it seems to contradict this one:
    Public Agrees With Court: Campaign Money Is "Free Speech"

    Maybe the polls are different enough to allow completely different findings, but I still find it highly doubtful that a vast majority of Republicans oppose the ruling.
    Your poll is from....October 2009. This poll is from February 2010.
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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You'll have to tell what Malcom the Tenth's last name was so I can google him.
    It's the guy you talked about in this post :

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058506168

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    He founded the Black Panthers, did he not?

    He co-founded the Nation of Islam, did he not?

    Case closed.
    Any day you want to become informed and learn about him. You're more than welcome to come back to that thread.
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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's the guy you talked about in this post :

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058506168



    Any day you want to become informed and learn about him. You're more than welcome to come back to that thread.
    I don't care that much about terrorists, especially dead ones.

    How about if you stay on topic?

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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    4 to 1 isn't a vast majority?
    You're a liberal, no one trusts your math.
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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I don't care that much about terrorists, especially dead ones.

    How about if you stay on topic?
    You made yourself the topic when you started talking about uninformed people. Not my fault you're a culturally illiterate troll. Oh wait, those words are really big for you. You are Trigg Palin with internet access.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 02-17-10 at 10:20 PM.
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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It shouldn't be a surprise. It was a lousy ruling.

    Where in the Constitution does it say that corporations are people and have the same rights?
    I do not know about people but corporations,unions and other groups are a peaceful assembly of people which is a 1st amendment right.Regardless if it is a single person or a group of individuals we have the right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Speech is the articulation of words in verbal,written or sign language. Making commercials, or ads is a form of speech regardless of how much money is poured into making that ad.


    If a corporation is found guilty of a crime, do we read it its rights?
    If lawsuits can be filed against them then surely criminal charges can be brought against those who own and or run the corporation.
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    And where does it say that money is speech? Money talks, all right, but should we give it free speech?
    Money is used to buy ad space,ads are speech.As far as I know the recent supreme court decision does not make it legal for a corporation to directly donate to a candidate.
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    Re: Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision

    The vast majority of Americans don't have the slightest clue of what the decision actually said, so I don't really a give a **** what they think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It shouldn't be a surprise. It was a lousy ruling.

    Where in the Constitution does it say that corporations are people and have the same rights?
    Exhibit A. Nowhere did this decision say that they have the same rights.

    And where does it say that money is speech? Money talks, all right, but should we give it free speech?
    Exhibit B: Lack of knowledge of Supreme Court precedent, particularly Buckley v. Valeo.

    There's a reason why the law is interpreted by those who know something about the law and not by the masses.
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