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    Re: Greece loses EU voting power in blow to sovereignty

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    All I am pointing out is that your statement in your OP of "the Democrats, flatly refuse to even discuss meaningful cuts in federal spending" is incorrect.
    No it's not.

    Meaningful cuts are some significant fraction of the entitlement and discretionary spending budget, like an annual 10% pruning from the previous year, starting with the 2006 budget as a baseline.

    Not "across the board" cuts, but the termination of programs and the cutting back of others until government is once again back in the suit the Constiution says it's supposed to fit in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    The Democrat controlled congress has approved more spending cuts then there was previously under the Republican Congress.
    Gimme a ****ing break, I already pointed out that $0.011 T isn't worth talking about against a $1.700 T budget. Try reading the posts you're responding to.

    Put it in perspective. A family spent $34K more this year than their income. They've been spending more than they earn for four decades. Next year they're going to owe another $20K or more.

    They have to make some cuts. They're going cut from their annual expenses a total of $220 each year.

    With such an impressive feat, how long does the family have to keep their belt tightened before they're clear of debt?

    You think that's a good plan for a family budget?

    You think it's going to work any better for the United States?
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    Re: Greece loses EU voting power in blow to sovereignty

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Greece doesn't have its own currency. Thats the main problem.

    That's only part of the problem.

    Let's hope the United States isn't stupid enough to surrender it's sovereignity to the UN.

    And yes, our Debt/GDP ratio isn't the highest.

    It isn't zero, either. Families that carry an annual debt equal to their annual income don't fare well, either.

    Our goal should be to make the US excel every other nation on earth. Burdening our children with unmanageable debt isn't the way to acheive this.
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    Re: Greece loses EU voting power in blow to sovereignty

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Okay, you've confirmed the suspicion that you don't know the difference between the budget deficit and the national debt. That's understandable, of course, since your Messiah is working furiously to make his deficits equal to the national debt.

    However, there really is a difference between the two, and I don't make mistakes about them.

    Your Messiah proposed a budget, His very own, with $1.700 trillion in projected deficits using his Rosie Scenario Opti-Scope to realize revenues from programs that haven't been implemented.

    He nicely proposed $0.011 T to offset his $1.700 T deficit, because He's the hawkiest of the Budget Hawks. I mean, if those offsets come through, His deficit will be a mere $1.689 T. That's a fantastic improvement over his original $1.700 T proposal, isn't it?




    Who cares? It's relevant to Greece's lost status in Europe in what way?

    It's relevant to what must be done to fix the current US fiscal problems in what way?



    Oh. That makes sense. The Messiah increases spending by 100%, and increases cuts by 101%, and thus the net increase in deficit is well...the deficits are bigger.

    The deficits are BIG...GRRRRRR.

    Bigger.

    That means not smaller, not the same size, but WORSE.

    Are you getting the picture yet?

    Your Messiah is GOING THE WRONG WAY. Maybe we'll get lucky, like Steve Martin and John Candy in Planes Trains and Automobiles and the on-rushing semi's will only scrape our paint.

    Don't bet on it. This ain't a movie.



    The Messiah proposed massive increases in spending, including another Stimulus Porkulus bill....er they're calling them "Jobs" bills or some such nonsense.

    Regardless, too many people in positions of power in this government falsely believe that the government can spend us into prosperity. But they're not posting here advocating that Greece spend more.

    Why is that?
    Using history as a lens, can you point to a single Republican president who has overseen a reduction in deficits for the course of his term in office in the past 40 years?

    The answer is no.

    Now, Obama's deficit is currently a concern. For freakin' sure. What's foolish of the administration is not looking forward and showing how - in the future - they intend to cut deficit spending. Now, it's fair to argue that it's because he's not planning to. I'll grant you that.

    But - what historical evidence do you have that Republicans will do any better? Because history shows - whether they have a Democratic Congress OR a Republican Congress, deficits will rise. In fact: deficit under Reagan - doubled. Under Bush 1 - doubled. Under Bush 2 - I'm not sure how you calculate from a net positive when you come in to a trillion when you leave.

    So, yes. Obama has doubled the deficit he inherited. By percentage, that actually puts him on par with a Republican like Reagan or Bush 1 (who had Democrats in Congress). It still makes him - by percentage - better than Bush 2 and the Republicans he had in Congress.

    And I'll say honestly - I don't give a crap about Greece's deficit. So why would I post about it. I only care about the silliness of comparing a tiny economy to ours; when they're vastly different.

    You complain when others suggest that we could learn from nations like Norway; why should we try to take lessons from Greece? It's no different.

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    Re: Greece loses EU voting power in blow to sovereignty

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Europe's all a flutter over Greece's failure to pay back a mere 0.026 Trillion dollars.

    The debt of the United States is a thousand times greater, and that's if you pretend Socialist Security and Medicare aren't ****ting the bed.

    But hark! What's this? What are the socialists in charge of Europe saying about Greece?



    Seems...the Europeans have some clue what is needed when a nation is running a deficit.

    Why is it that the precise group that is doing it's best to remake America in Europe's image, the Democrats, flatly refuse to even discuss meaningful cuts in federal spending, when that's what their heros in Europe are demanding Greece do?
    I love this idea, we should cut off California's voting power.
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    Re: Greece loses EU voting power in blow to sovereignty

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I love this idea, we should cut off California's voting power.
    thats negative to states rights

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    Re: Greece loses EU voting power in blow to sovereignty

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    thats negative to states rights
    They are more like a country, beside it'll shutup all the illegals.
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    Re: Greece loses EU voting power in blow to sovereignty

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Using history as a lens, can you point to a single Republican president who has overseen a reduction in deficits for the course of his term in office in the past 40 years?
    Using history as a lens, can you point to any post of yours that is on topic?

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    Re: Greece loses EU voting power in blow to sovereignty

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I love this idea, we should cut off California's voting power.
    The would irk Barbara Boxer.

    I'm all for it, I don't have any representation in Washington now, so why not?

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    Re: Greece loses EU voting power in blow to sovereignty

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Using history as a lens, can you point to any post of yours that is on topic?
    If you'd actually read, you'd see that I connected it to the topic at the end.

    I'm not the one that took it into a discussion about spending in America vs. spending in Greece. I was pointing out the fallacy of the comparison first of all. Second of all, I was pointing out the fact that you all seem to be claiming that by getting Republicans in will cut the spending here. I was simply pointing out that history says that won't happen.

    Someone asked why liberals weren't posting that Greece should spend their way out of their woes. It's a false, invalid comparison.

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    Re: Greece loses EU voting power in blow to sovereignty

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    If you'd actually read, you'd see that I connected it to the topic at the end.
    I don't spend a lot of time reading posts that start off reminding me of my nagging ex-wife.

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