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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Tambito, Hernandez, illegal immigrants?.....
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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

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    That may mean that the case was not presented in such a way to convince the SCOTUS of it's lack of Constitutionality. That does not mean it is Constitutional, it simply means there was not enough evidence to convince the SCOTUS. Now we all know that the SCOTUS may also have a bias for or against such a position depending upon their interpretation. That interpretation changes with the membership of the bench. For example, Brown vs. Board of Education Topeka was overturned at the right time. Until then all de-segregation challenges were upheld. Using your logic, and you'd be against a challenge of Brown again because it's been tried before and failed so therefore, segregation should continue to exist.
    Segregation was constitutional until Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka ruled it unconstitutional. Similarly, social safetynets are constitutional due to prior rulings. If you think they should be unconstitutional, then you are welcome to try to challenge them in the federal courts. You won't succeed, but try just the same if you want.
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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    While the welfare system is broken and is used to trap certain groups of people in the system there are a great deal of people who do work hard to try to provide for their families but right now with actual unemployment rates around 15% a record number of people are struggling to put food on the table, and it has nothing what ever to do with beer or any of the other prejudice statements some have made.

    The system is broken, the economy is broken, and Obama is the worst possible choice to expect fix anything since he's out to collapse the whole system and replace it with Socialism and god knows what else.

    Try to remember everyone on welfare isn't there by choice or on drugs or what ever, and believe it or not some are not even minority stereotypes.

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Hardly the same thing, but feel free to up the rhetoric as you wish.
    The difference between consensual sex and rape is exactly the same as between voluntary charity and forced charity.

    One of them is something you choose to do. The other is something you are forced to do.

    You claimed not to understand the difference.

    But I think it is silly that people boohoo because the government does something they don't like. That's the price we pay for not being the only man on a deserted island. In any group of people, you are going to disagree with it in some way. The fact is, nobody is completely happy with what the government does, but everyone has their own personal set of grievences. To claim that a policy is akin to a forceful act is ignorant at best and shows that people who feel this way have no interest in sharing society with people who have different priorities.
    To claim that a forceful act is akin to a forceful act is not ignorant, it is accurate. Are you claiming that people are not forced to pay for these programs?

    It is one thing to go "yeah, that thing the government is dumb for x, y, z reasons" and another to act like a baby and go "help! help! I'm being oppressed!"
    You know, I've never actually heard a baby say "help! help! I'm being oppressed!" I mostly hear them say things like "Ga ga! Goo goo!"

    (not directed at you, just your sentiment) grow the eff up and be an adult.
    I don't want to grow up. I'm a Toys R Us kid.

    Can you really not understand the difference between voluntary charity and charity enforced on pain of incarceration?

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    I understand the difference between sex and rape.

    To me this is far different. Paying taxes for things that you may not agree with is part of the compromise one must make when one lives in society. It is not a violent act that often causes medical and psychological damage.

    Its the difference between being assaulted and being annoyed.

    It is a terrible analogy.

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Then you are certainly welcome to attempt to convince others of your statist authoritarian views on the subject.

    If you think it is the proper role of the government to intervene in the family to the extent that the government removes the parental rights of a parents simply because they need food assistance for their kids, then lobby congress to codify it into law. However, while social safety-nets are not often successfully challenged in the federal courts, I would put money on such an initiative being ruled unconstitutional.
    The state already takes abused and neglected away from parents who intentionally neglect and abuse them. There are provisions in all 50 states for that to happen. Most states have laws that can charge and penalize people (schools, child care workers, medical providers, etc.) who know of child abuse or neglect and do not report it. Perhaps you are not aware of that?

    If anybody is actually paying attention here, I am NOT suggesting that children be taken from parents who are availing themselves of public or private social services because their temporary circumstances are that they cannot provide for their kids. Real parents do whatever, go whatever, accept whatever help they must to provide for their children. I suggest that kids should not be left with parents who intentionally abuse and/or neglect them.

    For the life of me, I can't imagine why anybody would suggest that anything else should happen.

    My quarrel is with tunnel visioned people thinking a school lunch program prevents child hunger and starvation. It doesn't. It provides one meal a day--two if breakfast is included--180 days per year at the most. It does not absolve parents from the responsibility to provide for their children the other 185 days per year, and if they can do that, they can dang sure make sure their kids are fed on snow days too.
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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    I'm going to say no;

    President Clinton announces another record budget surplus - September 27, 2000

    "September 27, 2000
    Web posted at: 4:51 p.m. EDT (2051 GMT)

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton announced Wednesday that the federal budget surplus for fiscal year 2000 amounted to at least $230 billion, making it the largest in U.S. history and topping last year's record surplus of $122.7 billion."


    You can try to rewrite history all you want though...
    Yet the economy of 2001 would be a continuation of his.

    His surplus was not real it was cooked books.

    If there was a surplus how did thee deficit increase?

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    I understand the difference between sex and rape.

    To me this is far different. Paying taxes for things that you may not agree with is part of the compromise one must make when one lives in society. It is not a violent act that often causes medical and psychological damage.

    Its the difference between being assaulted and being annoyed.

    It is a terrible analogy.
    Ok, so do you understand the difference between choosing to pay for things that you support and being forced to pay for things regardless of whether or not you support them?

    The analogy is fine. It is your understanding of it that is terrible.

    I made no implication that giving free lunches to schoolkids was somehow just as bad as rape. Obviously it is not.

    The difference between choosing to give free lunches to schoolkids and being forced to give free lunches to schoolkids is the same as the difference between choosing to have sex and being forced to have sex though, and in that respect the analogy is appropriate.

    In one event you choose to do something. In the other you or forced to do it. Can you now understand how one could voluntarily give to charity while opposing laws that would force them to?

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Ok, so do you understand the difference between choosing to pay for things that you support and being forced to pay for things regardless of whether or not you support them?

    The analogy is fine. It is your understanding of it that is terrible.

    I made no implication that giving free lunches to schoolkids was somehow just as bad as rape. Obviously it is not.

    The difference between choosing to give free lunches to schoolkids and being forced to give free lunches to schoolkids is the same as the difference between choosing to have sex and being forced to have sex though, and in that respect the analogy is appropriate.

    In one event you choose to do something. In the other you or forced to do it. Can you now understand how one could voluntarily give to charity while opposing laws that would force them to?
    Intellectually yes. Emotionally no. I just cannot help but feeling some sense of dishonesty from those who try and make this distinction.

    Family had personal experience with rape, lets try to use another metaphor from now on.

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Intellectually yes. Emotionally no. I just cannot help but feeling some sense of dishonesty from those who try and make this distinction.

    Family had personal experience with rape, lets try to use another metaphor from now on.
    Ok then, can you understand how someone could voluntarily choose to join the armed forces without supporting the draft?

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